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<blockquote data-quote="Mynex" data-source="post: 2541096" data-attributes="member: 2136"><p>Okahy, addressing a few posts in this one... and to make it clear, I'm not picking on any one person here... </p><p></p><p>First off, my initial posts were not "high horse" responses, they were factual. a few people wanted to argue the 'moral aspects' which I did not feel so inclined to do. And then someone got rude with me, so I responded in kind. Sorry if that sits ill with people, but tough, I ain't taking abuse from anyone for stating facts.</p><p></p><p>This is a text medium, intent and infelction are not easily expressed here, please keep that in mind before telling someone they're on a high horse...</p><p></p><p>I'm still not interested in debating the moral aspects, it's pointless, because everyone has their own view points on the matter. The facts, as they stand now, is that distribution of Intellectual Property is illegal, flat out, no other argument for it, plenty against (and with court cases... Can you say Napster?), and if something is illegal, and you participate, then you are a criminal, dot, period, end of story.</p><p></p><p>THAT is a fact, not an opinion.</p><p></p><p>Next bit - this is short and sweet... An company is going to take 'heat' for someone saying something at some time or another... just a fact of business... but in this case, when illegal activity is not just going on, but touted about, taking the advice of "Maybe you shouldn't be your companies spokesperson"... well, just doesn't carry any weight with us.</p><p></p><p>That out of the way... the FAQ bit...</p><p></p><p>There is a bit of this covered in the PCGen help files... outlining without nitty-gritty details what transpired back in 2002 at GenCon...</p><p></p><p>I'll discuss with WotC and the Open Source crew about putting together a full blown FAQ, that is an excellent idea. And incidentally, is totally seperate from the discussion over what is and isn't legal.</p><p></p><p>The what is and isn't legal FAQ, well, that won't happen... There's a lot of reasons why, but boil it down to: "That's legal advice, and CMP, WotC, and the Open Source Project are not law firms to dispense such advice"</p><p></p><p></p><p>And the last thing... </p><p>PCGen the code and the OGL data sets - That's the Open Source Project - CMP has nothing to do with their goals, agenda's release cycle, coding practices, etc... We work with them certainly, we request changes here and there, certainly, and we have overlap from us of volunteers and volunteers that we've paid for work, certainly... but we are 2 seperate entities.</p><p></p><p>CMP is a company that evolved from the Open Source Project to have a 'company' that WotC could deal with to distribute their material. A Q&A Control system, reporting, financials, and all that other fun stuff that larger companies like to know about... makes em feel all 'warm & fuzzy' inside.</p><p></p><p>We were contracted, because of our PCGen experience, to fix e-Tools (and if you weren't around for the initial release fiasco of that, just ask, plenty of people perfectly willing to extoll that one!) of 41 items. To date, with the code enhancement stopped finally, 6 patches later, we've fixed over 1000 bugs from the original code, added support for a lot of functionality, and we produce data sets _for sale_ for e-Tools & PCGen.</p><p></p><p>That's the long & short of it folks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mynex, post: 2541096, member: 2136"] Okahy, addressing a few posts in this one... and to make it clear, I'm not picking on any one person here... First off, my initial posts were not "high horse" responses, they were factual. a few people wanted to argue the 'moral aspects' which I did not feel so inclined to do. And then someone got rude with me, so I responded in kind. Sorry if that sits ill with people, but tough, I ain't taking abuse from anyone for stating facts. This is a text medium, intent and infelction are not easily expressed here, please keep that in mind before telling someone they're on a high horse... I'm still not interested in debating the moral aspects, it's pointless, because everyone has their own view points on the matter. The facts, as they stand now, is that distribution of Intellectual Property is illegal, flat out, no other argument for it, plenty against (and with court cases... Can you say Napster?), and if something is illegal, and you participate, then you are a criminal, dot, period, end of story. THAT is a fact, not an opinion. Next bit - this is short and sweet... An company is going to take 'heat' for someone saying something at some time or another... just a fact of business... but in this case, when illegal activity is not just going on, but touted about, taking the advice of "Maybe you shouldn't be your companies spokesperson"... well, just doesn't carry any weight with us. That out of the way... the FAQ bit... There is a bit of this covered in the PCGen help files... outlining without nitty-gritty details what transpired back in 2002 at GenCon... I'll discuss with WotC and the Open Source crew about putting together a full blown FAQ, that is an excellent idea. And incidentally, is totally seperate from the discussion over what is and isn't legal. The what is and isn't legal FAQ, well, that won't happen... There's a lot of reasons why, but boil it down to: "That's legal advice, and CMP, WotC, and the Open Source Project are not law firms to dispense such advice" And the last thing... PCGen the code and the OGL data sets - That's the Open Source Project - CMP has nothing to do with their goals, agenda's release cycle, coding practices, etc... We work with them certainly, we request changes here and there, certainly, and we have overlap from us of volunteers and volunteers that we've paid for work, certainly... but we are 2 seperate entities. CMP is a company that evolved from the Open Source Project to have a 'company' that WotC could deal with to distribute their material. A Q&A Control system, reporting, financials, and all that other fun stuff that larger companies like to know about... makes em feel all 'warm & fuzzy' inside. We were contracted, because of our PCGen experience, to fix e-Tools (and if you weren't around for the initial release fiasco of that, just ask, plenty of people perfectly willing to extoll that one!) of 41 items. To date, with the code enhancement stopped finally, 6 patches later, we've fixed over 1000 bugs from the original code, added support for a lot of functionality, and we produce data sets _for sale_ for e-Tools & PCGen. That's the long & short of it folks. [/QUOTE]
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