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Message: <blockquote data-quote="rounser" data-source="post: 3442966" data-attributes="member: 1106">They haven't even scratched the surface of what would happen as a result of this, which is what's so silly about pretending that this is the case.  The impact of a single low level spell such as invisibility, let alone a PHB worth of magic would turn society upside down into something alien to anything we could imagine.  The hubris and naivety of suggesting that this is designed into the setting is staggering to me.Gygax and Greenwood had arguments on the topic of gunpowder in D&D in Dragon magazine, I gather.  I do know that many FR DMs downplay it's existence, and most would agree that it's not very important in making FR, FR.Because it's the thin end of a huge wedge.  From there, magic machine guns, magic jet fighters, magic ipods and magic cat scans aren't far behind.  Most setting designs are clever enough not to go there and sweep the entire issue underneath the carpet, because magic and logic don't mix - except with explosive results for whatever genre you're trying to convey.  Maybe you're not trying to convey a genre if you're playing Eberron, but I doubt it.Why do we have flying magic carpets and not flying magic stealth fighters in the DMG?  Surely the magic could make the latter go, cloak it and arm it with magic missiles even?  Genre convention.  You can break that, sure, and maybe you and your players don't ask yourselves "If we can have magic trains, why don't magic ride-on lawnmowers and magic aircraft carriers also exist"?  Most settings don't go there, but to have the temerity to suggest that Eberron "makes sense" in terms of the impact of magic is ludicrous.  The scientific applications of D&D magic are endless, such that your example above sticks out as a mere drop of water from a crack in suspension of disbelief that has Niagara Falls behind it.  Best not to make a crack in that wall in the first place, or at least not draw conspicuous attention to it when you occasionally do it.</blockquote>

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