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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashrem Bayle" data-source="post: 1600380" data-attributes="member: 3103">I think you missed my point. Worshippers of gods, let's use the Silver Flame as an example, can obviously get spells from their faith in the Flame.But the point I was making is: Do the spells come from the Flame, or do they com from having faith itself?If it truelly comes from the Flame, and divine magic must come from gods, how do we have godless clerics? You could say some god decided to "sponsor" them, but that feels clumsy to me. Why would a god grant spells to a pretend worshipper who is actually working to hurt the church?If simply having enough faith in anything grants you spells, it works out nicelly. The gods aren't like the FR or Greyhawk gods. They aren't portrayed as super powerful mortals. They are very different, almost alien in concept, and they don't take an active role in the world.So, at least in my campaign, if a cleric wants to worship the Flame, he gets spells. But what he doesn't know is, the spells don't come from the Flame itself, but from his faith in the Flame. The Flame is his paradigm, it determines his domains, but because of the concept, not because the Flame activly only grants certain domains.Why does having true faith grant you spells? It comes from the same source as druid magic. Eberron.</blockquote>