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<blockquote data-quote="nittanytbone" data-source="post: 3349541" data-attributes="member: 35709">ECL at low levels is a killer.&nbsp; Anyone that plays an ECL at low levels is making a soft, squishy eggshell, ready to be squished.For casters, you're behind a caster level, which is a big deal.&nbsp; Yes, you can probably get +2 to your casting stat, but still, would you prefer to be throwing Web or Fireball?For melee classes, it leaves you short on HP and BAB.&nbsp; Even if you can get +2 con, it still won't make up for the lack of a HD:&nbsp; A level 4 barbarian with 16 con has 38 HP on average, whereas a level 3 barbarian with 18 con has only 31.5.The only class it makes any sense for, maybe, is a skill-monkey.&nbsp; You'll be short about 10 skill points, but some of the special abilities might make sense.I get ticked off, as a player, if someone plays ECL at low levels, because they are basically making a character that cannot contribute.&nbsp; For example, I had a level 3 game that featured a level 3 cleric, a level 3 ranger, and a pair of level 1 drow (the rogue and the wizard).&nbsp; The drow had to hide in the back, with their &lt;8 HP, at all times;&nbsp; they couldn't fill their class functions (&quot;You're playing a mage?&nbsp; Great!&nbsp; Blow that stuff up!&quot;&nbsp; &quot;Um... I have detect magic?&quot;);&nbsp; and I honestly didn't want to give them a full treasure share as they were so useless.&nbsp; A pair of level 1 warriors would have been more useful.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="nittanytbone, post: 3349541, member: 35709"] ECL at low levels is a killer. Anyone that plays an ECL at low levels is making a soft, squishy eggshell, ready to be squished. For casters, you're behind a caster level, which is a big deal. Yes, you can probably get +2 to your casting stat, but still, would you prefer to be throwing Web or Fireball? For melee classes, it leaves you short on HP and BAB. Even if you can get +2 con, it still won't make up for the lack of a HD: A level 4 barbarian with 16 con has 38 HP on average, whereas a level 3 barbarian with 18 con has only 31.5. The only class it makes any sense for, maybe, is a skill-monkey. You'll be short about 10 skill points, but some of the special abilities might make sense. I get ticked off, as a player, if someone plays ECL at low levels, because they are basically making a character that cannot contribute. For example, I had a level 3 game that featured a level 3 cleric, a level 3 ranger, and a pair of level 1 drow (the rogue and the wizard). The drow had to hide in the back, with their <8 HP, at all times; they couldn't fill their class functions ("You're playing a mage? Great! Blow that stuff up!" "Um... I have detect magic?"); and I honestly didn't want to give them a full treasure share as they were so useless. A pair of level 1 warriors would have been more useful. [/QUOTE]

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