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<blockquote data-quote="Herremann the Wise" data-source="post: 5501458" data-attributes="member: 11300"><p>Yes take up thy 4e defender shield and start beating upon it loudly! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /></p><p></p><p>Really? I mean really? As a supporter of Pathfinder and 4e, I can see how some players will just naturally trend to one or the other based upon their preferences and experiences but the above quote does not read nicely, even with your emphasis on "some". </p><p></p><p>Maybe even tell them why Pathfinder/previous editions of the game are unfun while you are at it? This worked for WotC didn't it?</p><p></p><p>I think the focus needs to be on why 4e is fun, not personal reasons why one thinks 4e is better than other systems (if they are a novice, they are not going to understand and if they are a 3.x/Pathfinder veteran then they will most likely rail against being told that something that they like is inferior). Most of the shortcomings of Pathfinder play are complexity at high levels (13+) as well as DM/GM workload. Or from the other side, at low levels, there is little advantage one way or the other as most of the "benefits" are at higher level or on the other side of the DM screen. For an "Encounters" level player, there is just a difference in style between the two, not superiority of one to the other. In essence they are both fun. I think there is a lesson to be learnt here Dannager.</p><p></p><p>Hello Samurai,</p><p></p><p>Can you link up with local high schools, put advertisements in newsletters or drum up interest from younger potential players? Alternatively, can you organise a "one-off" gameday with 4e encounters as part of the mix? Most certainly though, if you have a high number of Pathfinder players, emphasize that it's different but it's still fun. I think you will sell 4e to players more successfully with an inclusive rather than exclusive approach.</p><p></p><p>Out of interest, what is the age range that you have experienced? Have you noticed a local trend of Pathfinder players being older/having less time to commit to multiple games etc. I know this is certainly a factor for our group (I'm the youngest at 38 in our group). Are there any MtG tournaments run near enough to you to get some of those players interested? Again a combined gameday might be fun to organise and may help you build up a larger pool of players.</p><p></p><p>And to answer your other concern, I would hazard a guess that your 31 years of experience and DMing style has <em>nothing</em> to do with your Encounters situation. Best of luck with your gaming.</p><p></p><p>Best Regards</p><p>Herremann the Wise</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Herremann the Wise, post: 5501458, member: 11300"] Yes take up thy 4e defender shield and start beating upon it loudly! :confused: Really? I mean really? As a supporter of Pathfinder and 4e, I can see how some players will just naturally trend to one or the other based upon their preferences and experiences but the above quote does not read nicely, even with your emphasis on "some". Maybe even tell them why Pathfinder/previous editions of the game are unfun while you are at it? This worked for WotC didn't it? I think the focus needs to be on why 4e is fun, not personal reasons why one thinks 4e is better than other systems (if they are a novice, they are not going to understand and if they are a 3.x/Pathfinder veteran then they will most likely rail against being told that something that they like is inferior). Most of the shortcomings of Pathfinder play are complexity at high levels (13+) as well as DM/GM workload. Or from the other side, at low levels, there is little advantage one way or the other as most of the "benefits" are at higher level or on the other side of the DM screen. For an "Encounters" level player, there is just a difference in style between the two, not superiority of one to the other. In essence they are both fun. I think there is a lesson to be learnt here Dannager. Hello Samurai, Can you link up with local high schools, put advertisements in newsletters or drum up interest from younger potential players? Alternatively, can you organise a "one-off" gameday with 4e encounters as part of the mix? Most certainly though, if you have a high number of Pathfinder players, emphasize that it's different but it's still fun. I think you will sell 4e to players more successfully with an inclusive rather than exclusive approach. Out of interest, what is the age range that you have experienced? Have you noticed a local trend of Pathfinder players being older/having less time to commit to multiple games etc. I know this is certainly a factor for our group (I'm the youngest at 38 in our group). Are there any MtG tournaments run near enough to you to get some of those players interested? Again a combined gameday might be fun to organise and may help you build up a larger pool of players. And to answer your other concern, I would hazard a guess that your 31 years of experience and DMing style has [i]nothing[/i] to do with your Encounters situation. Best of luck with your gaming. Best Regards Herremann the Wise [/QUOTE]
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