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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 5659247" data-attributes="member: 996">I know WotC never exactly had thier finger on the pulse of the community, but there's no way, with hundreds of pages of 'Fighter SUX' threads on their own forums, they could possibly have been unaware of the attitudes towards that class.&nbsp;&nbsp; Again, given the consistent - and valid - streams of complaints about class balance the system had been getting for so long, it was hardly a bad idea to shoot for class balance.&nbsp; 4e did that, and succeeded.&nbsp; It was no small accomplishment.&nbsp; That there were fans&nbsp; who were so accumstomed to imbalance that they'd /hate/ the idea of anyone getting to play a balanced/interesting martial character may have been hard to imagine - achieving balance was hard to imagine, so I can see how the consequences thereof might also have been tough to anticipate.No, because of that ingrained mind-set.&nbsp; In the past, the Fighter was the simplest class.&nbsp; Since 3e it hasn't been (in 3e, that was the Barbarian, in 4e, initially, the Ranger).&nbsp; Nothing stopped WotC from putting a bone-simple eldritch-blast + add-on curse effect version of a Warlock in Essentials, for instance.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 5659247, member: 996"] I know WotC never exactly had thier finger on the pulse of the community, but there's no way, with hundreds of pages of 'Fighter SUX' threads on their own forums, they could possibly have been unaware of the attitudes towards that class. Again, given the consistent - and valid - streams of complaints about class balance the system had been getting for so long, it was hardly a bad idea to shoot for class balance. 4e did that, and succeeded. It was no small accomplishment. That there were fans who were so accumstomed to imbalance that they'd /hate/ the idea of anyone getting to play a balanced/interesting martial character may have been hard to imagine - achieving balance was hard to imagine, so I can see how the consequences thereof might also have been tough to anticipate. No, because of that ingrained mind-set. In the past, the Fighter was the simplest class. Since 3e it hasn't been (in 3e, that was the Barbarian, in 4e, initially, the Ranger). Nothing stopped WotC from putting a bone-simple eldritch-blast + add-on curse effect version of a Warlock in Essentials, for instance. [/QUOTE]

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