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Message: <blockquote data-quote="catastrophic" data-source="post: 5660393" data-attributes="member: 81381">I can see why somebody looking at the problem of 4e turns would go one way or other other with between turn actions. But my feeling is that the best way to cut down on drag, grind, and various other catch-phrases is to simply make rounds move faster around the table, and reducing between-turn actions would be a big part of that.  I'm in favour of a fantasy 5e that has much faster rounds. Possibly one where you could simply take your round sooner based on certain events, in a very clear and straightforward way. That way, the rules are clear (you do stuff on your round) and each turn doesn't take that long. I feel like that is a more viable way to keep everyone engaged, and I feel like people getting fixated on their own turns is less a matter of them not having a stake, and more a matter of the times involved just being too large, and it going beyond what people might enjoy or happily tolerate, and into the area where it begins to be draining for them. I feel as if 'watching otehr people take their turns' is one of those things that can be neutral, even fun if it's managed well, but becomes unfun when you're doing too much of it. I don't think that between turns actions solves that, because they're inconsistant*, they slow the pass around the table even further, and they're prone to complexity, and actions which prevent other players from maintaing a plan from turn to turn. This in addition to some other issues, like a player who takes their turn after the party controller and hence, can't really plan until they see how those visions of avarice pans out.  *Although it occurs to me that if there was a standardised between-turn action that everyone got each round, and the game strictly limited itself to using that for all interupts, then that could be very clear design that could be fired off well, and kepe people engaged better.</blockquote>

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