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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RogueJK" data-source="post: 7893122" data-attributes="member: 170">Expertise alone isn't as powerful as a number of other abilities or spells.  It's certainly not too strong.For example, take the Rogue's 11th level Reliable Talent ability, which means that they can't roll lower than 10 on a proficient skill check.  Or the Pass Without Trace spell, which adds +10 to Stealth.  Or, at levels lower than 13th, the Guidance cantrip's +d4 has the potential to add as much or more to a skill check as Expertise.  Or Bardic Inspiration can add +d6/d8/d10/d12 to a skill check, which has the potential to exceed the bonus from Expertise at all levels.  (Even up to 2x/3x.)Any of those one adds a larger bonus (or at least potential bonus, or potential effective bonus) than the +2/3/4/5/6 from Expertise alone. And a number of these sources of skill bonuses can all be stacked together, resulting in possible skill checks of over 50 without too much trouble, or over 100 in some extreme situations...Not necessarily.  There are other (sub)classes that gain Expertise, like Knowledge Cleric or Purple Dragon Knight.  And there are feats that grant Expertise, both official like Prodigy and UA stuff like the various Skill Feats.</blockquote>