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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7373132" data-attributes="member: 6795602">[MENTION=58172]Yaarel[/MENTION] , Just thinkingCombat AC's range from about 11-25.&nbsp; There may be an outlier or 2 outside that range.&nbsp; Most combat AC's range from 13-20.&nbsp; In other words, there's not really a full 20 AC range in what you fight in combat.&nbsp; It's closer to a +15 AC range.&nbsp; Most AC's in combat come out closer to a range about half that.&nbsp; Skill checks tend to go from DC 5 to DC 30.&nbsp; I think part of the issue is that skill checks DC's have to large a range.In combat everyone gets proficiency bonus to their attack check.&nbsp; It's&nbsp; a given.&nbsp; So stat differences of maybe +2 to +5 or +7 (with archery style) are the only differences players will ever realistically see in their chance to hit differences.&nbsp; So a range of about +5.&nbsp; Skills have a difference in range of -1 to +11 so a range of about 12.&nbsp; That difference in range needs to decrease.&nbsp; I would suggest we leave proficiency out of the bonus on skill checks and find some other meaning for it, this way our range on skill bonus differences stay around the +5 that combat has it at.&nbsp; Possibly have proficiency add an extra d20 dice that stacks with advantage (allowing up to 3 dice to be thrown at a time)I suggest we have expertise give a 3rd dice on skill checks.&nbsp; Or maybe a chance of auto success.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7373132, member: 6795602"] [MENTION=58172]Yaarel[/MENTION] , Just thinking Combat AC's range from about 11-25. There may be an outlier or 2 outside that range. Most combat AC's range from 13-20. In other words, there's not really a full 20 AC range in what you fight in combat. It's closer to a +15 AC range. Most AC's in combat come out closer to a range about half that. Skill checks tend to go from DC 5 to DC 30. I think part of the issue is that skill checks DC's have to large a range. In combat everyone gets proficiency bonus to their attack check. It's a given. So stat differences of maybe +2 to +5 or +7 (with archery style) are the only differences players will ever realistically see in their chance to hit differences. So a range of about +5. Skills have a difference in range of -1 to +11 so a range of about 12. That difference in range needs to decrease. I would suggest we leave proficiency out of the bonus on skill checks and find some other meaning for it, this way our range on skill bonus differences stay around the +5 that combat has it at. Possibly have proficiency add an extra d20 dice that stacks with advantage (allowing up to 3 dice to be thrown at a time) I suggest we have expertise give a 3rd dice on skill checks. Or maybe a chance of auto success. [/QUOTE]

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