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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 4380776" data-attributes="member: 2525">He didn't say porting through solid walls.I think it does.  You can port 25 feet up, so you can bypass a climb check or even gain heights you couldn't gain with a climb check because the wall was too smooth.  You can port across some obstacles, like a 25' river or pit.  You can port into a location you can see, but which would alert a guard if you actually moved there (so, for example, from the front of a store into the rear store-room bypassing the clerk, provided you can see that store-room).  You can port down up to 25' without taking falling damage.  And there are other uses.  Teleportation outside of combat is definitely more than just "fun...not a whole lot of use".It's a VERY VERY common situation.  Once everyone is engaged in melee combat, it's almost always going to be an option.Not quite: "Immobilized: Being immobilized doesn’t prevent you from teleporting. If you were immobilized because of a physical effect, such as a creature grabbing you, you can teleport away and are no longer immobilized or restrained, if applicable. If you were immobilized because of an effect on your mind or body, teleporting does not end that effect; you’re still immobilized when you reach your destination."So you can still teleport even if magically immobilized.  If the magic is an effect on your mind or body, you are still immobilized, but you can still teleport (which is very useful in many circumstances).Without you being specific, that seems like a pretty broad brush you're painting with there.  You think he is lying (that's what "doubt the veracity of claims") but you cannot point to where or why? Probably best not to call him a liar then.Nobody said ABUSE.  They just said very useful.You have yet to specifically refute much of anything.  It can in fact be used to evade enemies.  Why can it not be used like that?  Or are you referring to the "lose track" claim?  If that is what you mean, it definitely can be used that way, with a stealth check.  You can teleport into cover or concealment, without moving (remember, it's actual movement in the open that blows a stealth check) and make a stealth check.  Why couldn't you do that?During combat, if you teleport into cover or concealment, why couldn't you then make a stealth check?  I find it amusing that you constantly claim you have refuted something you never even attempted to refute.  Did you think just by saying essentially "nuh uh, you're wrong" that anyone would be persuaded?</blockquote>

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