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<blockquote data-quote="Benjamin Olson" data-source="post: 8427596" data-attributes="member: 6988941">With the right build, in the right party, in the right campaign.I love the bonus on Charisma checks, but keep in mind that a Ranger managing to have substantial bonuses to both Wisdom and Charisma, to make it an exceptional party face rather than just a good one, is rare. My guess would be the average Warlock eventually has a higher Charisma bonus than the average Ranger's combined Wisdom+Charisma bonus. If you're using Tasha's alternative features you can, of course, take expertise in one of the Charisma skills as well at level one, but that requires getting it from background or race. I do think (especially given how much more naturally a ranger Synergizes with a Rogue dip and hence more expertise) that it is definitely the potentially better party Face than a Paladin or Warlock, but it is something you have to build towards, not something that happens with even fairly unoptimized characters like the Charisma casters being good faces.As for Beguiling Twist, it is potentially very strong if you have a DM or party members who are throwing around Charm and Frighten effects all the time. If you are relying on your own spellcasting to generate opportunities to use it there are probably better uses of your concentration most of the time. It ends up rather party and DM dependent.Meanwhile the Gloomstalker is also basically always powerful, and in a campaign where the DM plays lighting conditions in their favor a fair amount of the time, they take off as absurdly powerful. I would rate the &quot;all-season&quot; strengths of the Gloomstalker a little higher than the Fey Wanderer, but they're both really good and truly exceptional under the right conditions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Benjamin Olson, post: 8427596, member: 6988941"] With the right build, in the right party, in the right campaign. I love the bonus on Charisma checks, but keep in mind that a Ranger managing to have substantial bonuses to both Wisdom and Charisma, to make it an exceptional party face rather than just a good one, is rare. My guess would be the average Warlock eventually has a higher Charisma bonus than the average Ranger's combined Wisdom+Charisma bonus. If you're using Tasha's alternative features you can, of course, take expertise in one of the Charisma skills as well at level one, but that requires getting it from background or race. I do think (especially given how much more naturally a ranger Synergizes with a Rogue dip and hence more expertise) that it is definitely the potentially better party Face than a Paladin or Warlock, but it is something you have to build towards, not something that happens with even fairly unoptimized characters like the Charisma casters being good faces. As for Beguiling Twist, it is potentially very strong if you have a DM or party members who are throwing around Charm and Frighten effects all the time. If you are relying on your own spellcasting to generate opportunities to use it there are probably better uses of your concentration most of the time. It ends up rather party and DM dependent. Meanwhile the Gloomstalker is also basically always powerful, and in a campaign where the DM plays lighting conditions in their favor a fair amount of the time, they take off as absurdly powerful. I would rate the "all-season" strengths of the Gloomstalker a little higher than the Fey Wanderer, but they're both really good and truly exceptional under the right conditions. [/QUOTE]

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