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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4394689" data-attributes="member: 2011">Always? Clerics don't. Wizards don't. But, Wizards still use the Grab/Escape mechanic for Hand spells.And, most monsters have either an extremely high Dexterity or Strength (sometimes both). This gives them a boost to Acrobatics or Athletics that is typically higher than the boost to the respective Defense of most PCs (only one PC gets a +2 enhancement here, 3 classes get +1, and 4 classes get +0) due to Dex/Int plus class bonus, even if they do not possess the Acrobatics skill.Basically, the mechanics for this outright suck. It's mathematically unbalanced because it is:1) (0 or 5) + stat + 1/2 level vs. 0 to 2 class bonus + stat + 1/2 level.2) Two defense rolls vs. one attack roll.3) Monsters are often higher level than PCs in many encounters (gaining on +1/2 level) and also tend to have higher Dex or Str.So not only are the rolls stacked in the defender's favor, but the attacker gives up a damaging attack to gain this, plus the defender gets two chances to escape if he wants to.</blockquote>