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Is grappling broke?
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<blockquote data-quote="SimonMoon5" data-source="post: 658529" data-attributes="member: 5821"><p>Yeah, but watch out: teleport and dimension door only have V components. If you can get silence cast on you before you grapple, though, you're unstoppable. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As I understand it, *anyone* can try to grapple, but the monsters with Improved Grab are most likely to do so, since it's a free action to grapple after they've already hit you. Constrict just makes it even worse, since they can do damage automatically on the same round after grappling you, after doing damage to you with their initial attack.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not absolutely certain, but I believe that it is per natural attack rather than based on iterated BAB attacks, since monsters never get to use iterated BAB attacks except with real weapons.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It uses the damage of the attack form that grappled.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>(e) Other. As I understand it, the polar bear in your example, would get its three attacks (2 claws +13, bite +8), any of which might lead to a grab because of improved grab; to tell if it successfully grabbed, make a grapple check for each attack that hits. It's grapple modifier would be +13+4(size) = +17 for the claws or +8+4(size)=+12 for the bite. Then, on the next round, the bear can choose what to do; it might choose to make its three normal attacks on the victim, but it would probably rather make opposed grapple checks (less likely to fail) in order to do damage... possibly one of these might be a pin instead of damage. Each attack that successfully grappled on the previous round may be used to make these opposed grapple checks in order to do the damage of that attack form (bite or claw). Any attacks that did not grapple previously may only be used to make a normal attack (which might lead to that attack form successfully grappling the opponent).</p><p></p><p>Constrict just means you get to go ahead and do damage on the round you grapple them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SimonMoon5, post: 658529, member: 5821"] Yeah, but watch out: teleport and dimension door only have V components. If you can get silence cast on you before you grapple, though, you're unstoppable. :) As I understand it, *anyone* can try to grapple, but the monsters with Improved Grab are most likely to do so, since it's a free action to grapple after they've already hit you. Constrict just makes it even worse, since they can do damage automatically on the same round after grappling you, after doing damage to you with their initial attack. I'm not absolutely certain, but I believe that it is per natural attack rather than based on iterated BAB attacks, since monsters never get to use iterated BAB attacks except with real weapons. It uses the damage of the attack form that grappled. (e) Other. As I understand it, the polar bear in your example, would get its three attacks (2 claws +13, bite +8), any of which might lead to a grab because of improved grab; to tell if it successfully grabbed, make a grapple check for each attack that hits. It's grapple modifier would be +13+4(size) = +17 for the claws or +8+4(size)=+12 for the bite. Then, on the next round, the bear can choose what to do; it might choose to make its three normal attacks on the victim, but it would probably rather make opposed grapple checks (less likely to fail) in order to do damage... possibly one of these might be a pin instead of damage. Each attack that successfully grappled on the previous round may be used to make these opposed grapple checks in order to do the damage of that attack form (bite or claw). Any attacks that did not grapple previously may only be used to make a normal attack (which might lead to that attack form successfully grappling the opponent). Constrict just means you get to go ahead and do damage on the round you grapple them. [/QUOTE]
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