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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6909627" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>We dont kill people based on expectated alignment though, anymore than we do based on the persons actual alignment.</p><p></p><p>We kill them when they pose a direct and imminent threat, and we are required to do so to protect life in self defence or the defence of others, and no other option reasonably presents itself.</p><p></p><p>If a LG Paladin stormed into the tavern and attempted to kill me, then using lethal force in response to that threat is no more evil that if a CE Orc did the same.</p><p></p><p>We dont judge actions based on the alignment (real or percieved) of our victims.</p><p></p><p>Killing, harming and opressing others = evil. The only time it is morally neutral to do it, is when it is the only option reasonably at hand to prevent the harming, killing and opressing of others, the threat is direct and imminent and you act in proportion to the threat.</p><p></p><p>If Orcs raid your villiage, you can engage them in open warfare (killing them, raiding their outposts, ambushes, assaults, defensive actions the works) - however at the same time you should be seeking a peacefull solution (peace) to the problem that minimises harm and loss. You should be merciful to POW's, show compassion and kindness, minimise civilian losses etc.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No its not. That is not the expectation of the game at all. If you dont believe me, open your PHB and look at the illistration of the Paladin.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes there most definately is. A Paladin who slays a defensless Orc for no other reason than he is an Orc, falls.</p><p></p><p>It is an act of evil.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly. The adventure frames the scenario as a war, with the 'forces of Chaos' attacking the PCs homeland ('the realm of mankind'), and the PCs as fighting a defensive battle against the evil forces of chaos that live outside the keep.</p><p></p><p>Like I said earlier, a soldier acting in collective self defence against a foreign invader is not evil, any more than a police officer is for shooting an armed bank robber, or the French Resistance were evil for fighting back against the Nazis.</p><p></p><p>You dont have to sit and wait for the raid to come. If offensive operations against the invader (ambushing them on the way, an assault against HQ, a raid on their camp or whatever) is likely to minimise innoent casualties and losses and provide a decisive blow against your enemies then go for it.</p><p></p><p>If the Orcs were just minding their own buisiness, had a peace treaty with the local humans, were just trading with the local Goblins and not being a problem to anyone, then riding into their camp and slaughtering them is evil.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 6909627, member: 6788736"] We dont kill people based on expectated alignment though, anymore than we do based on the persons actual alignment. We kill them when they pose a direct and imminent threat, and we are required to do so to protect life in self defence or the defence of others, and no other option reasonably presents itself. If a LG Paladin stormed into the tavern and attempted to kill me, then using lethal force in response to that threat is no more evil that if a CE Orc did the same. We dont judge actions based on the alignment (real or percieved) of our victims. Killing, harming and opressing others = evil. The only time it is morally neutral to do it, is when it is the only option reasonably at hand to prevent the harming, killing and opressing of others, the threat is direct and imminent and you act in proportion to the threat. If Orcs raid your villiage, you can engage them in open warfare (killing them, raiding their outposts, ambushes, assaults, defensive actions the works) - however at the same time you should be seeking a peacefull solution (peace) to the problem that minimises harm and loss. You should be merciful to POW's, show compassion and kindness, minimise civilian losses etc. No its not. That is not the expectation of the game at all. If you dont believe me, open your PHB and look at the illistration of the Paladin. Yes there most definately is. A Paladin who slays a defensless Orc for no other reason than he is an Orc, falls. It is an act of evil. Exactly. The adventure frames the scenario as a war, with the 'forces of Chaos' attacking the PCs homeland ('the realm of mankind'), and the PCs as fighting a defensive battle against the evil forces of chaos that live outside the keep. Like I said earlier, a soldier acting in collective self defence against a foreign invader is not evil, any more than a police officer is for shooting an armed bank robber, or the French Resistance were evil for fighting back against the Nazis. You dont have to sit and wait for the raid to come. If offensive operations against the invader (ambushing them on the way, an assault against HQ, a raid on their camp or whatever) is likely to minimise innoent casualties and losses and provide a decisive blow against your enemies then go for it. If the Orcs were just minding their own buisiness, had a peace treaty with the local humans, were just trading with the local Goblins and not being a problem to anyone, then riding into their camp and slaughtering them is evil. [/QUOTE]
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