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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6914431" data-attributes="member: 4937">Something I mentioned in my response when I said, &quot;...but if he's a fictional human&quot;.No, but if we aren't going to assume that the bouncer is a human, then the whole thread is invalid precisely for the very reasons I've here discussed.&nbsp; If for example we can suddenly assume that the bouncer is a member of any species at all, we could for example assume that the bouncer is a Cambion demonspawn, and as such absolutely had to be destroyed.In which case, the whole thread is invalidated, because pretty much everyone in the thread was assuming a degree of reality that we are now going to throw out the window in favor of a greater amount of fictionality that undermines any assumptions we might have.&nbsp;&nbsp; And likewise, I think it is self-evident that is it wholly pointless to discuss the ethics of killing Cambions, until we have defined the species.&nbsp;&nbsp; Afterall, we could be talking Hellboy here, canonically defined in his setting as noble hearted, good, and possessing of a free will.&nbsp;&nbsp; I wonder how you think this contradicts anything about what I said.&nbsp; But ok, if we are playing on Kragwurld, and someone goes, &quot;I forgot to tell you, on Kragwurld, when humans turn 40 that undergo a transformation that turns them into an unthinking monsters, that then ruthlessly kill their neighbors, and so on this world every accepts that it is their duty to die before their 40th birthday, and that everyone has a duty to kill anyone who tries to escape this necessary culling, and the bouncer would turn 40 that very evening.&quot;, then yes that might change things a bit.&nbsp; Besides obviously not being humanity, such a species would be so different from humanity, that it would be very hard to say anything about their own morality or to judge how they acted toward each other.&nbsp; But again, I think that shows how ridiculous it is to assert that this scenario is just as fictional as a bar fight.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6914431, member: 4937"] Something I mentioned in my response when I said, "...but if he's a fictional human". No, but if we aren't going to assume that the bouncer is a human, then the whole thread is invalid precisely for the very reasons I've here discussed. If for example we can suddenly assume that the bouncer is a member of any species at all, we could for example assume that the bouncer is a Cambion demonspawn, and as such absolutely had to be destroyed. In which case, the whole thread is invalidated, because pretty much everyone in the thread was assuming a degree of reality that we are now going to throw out the window in favor of a greater amount of fictionality that undermines any assumptions we might have. And likewise, I think it is self-evident that is it wholly pointless to discuss the ethics of killing Cambions, until we have defined the species. Afterall, we could be talking Hellboy here, canonically defined in his setting as noble hearted, good, and possessing of a free will. I wonder how you think this contradicts anything about what I said. But ok, if we are playing on Kragwurld, and someone goes, "I forgot to tell you, on Kragwurld, when humans turn 40 that undergo a transformation that turns them into an unthinking monsters, that then ruthlessly kill their neighbors, and so on this world every accepts that it is their duty to die before their 40th birthday, and that everyone has a duty to kill anyone who tries to escape this necessary culling, and the bouncer would turn 40 that very evening.", then yes that might change things a bit. Besides obviously not being humanity, such a species would be so different from humanity, that it would be very hard to say anything about their own morality or to judge how they acted toward each other. But again, I think that shows how ridiculous it is to assert that this scenario is just as fictional as a bar fight. [/QUOTE]

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