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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AaronOfBarbaria" data-source="post: 6921779" data-attributes="member: 6701872">Which is weird, since I already know that and never once said anything that indicated otherwise.As I've said repeatedly, I'm not discussing what each of us DMs can choose for an aswer - just the one presented in the books.Again, I've only been talking about orcs (and, since I want to be sure it hasn't been forgotten, the other numerous lower case 'e' evil creatures that are arbitrarily treated differently than other potentially evil creatures) as defined in the D&D books. So this whole "no one knows what they are talking about until orc is defined" thing makes it seem like you don't understand that there are definitions of these creatures presented by D&D books.  I've actually not mentioned anything about how orcs are treated at my table beyond something I said way back in this thread - that I prefer to judge the motive behind an act, rather than the act itself, to determine if there has been any out-of-alignment behavior.You've missed the point, despite my attempts to help you see it. I will rephrase the point in hopes that you get it: You've just said of orcs precisely what a hate-filled, violent racist might say of the people of whatever race(s) they are racist towards - and you did so for the reason of attempting to explain to me why it is perfectly acceptable that an intelligent, civilized, self-aware organism that differs from human by no more of a degree than elves do, shouldn't be treated the same as humans and elves are.Yes, it's fictional. Fictional racism and genocide, which is presented as Good behavior.That's true in the sense of the real-world usage of race, but clearly mistaken in the sense of the use of the word races within the D&D game - where the books explicitly call orc a race.How can you have been the victim of that kind of dehumanizing racism and not see the clear parallel to orcs?They are literally the same as demihumans - created by their chief god and set into the world to, hopefully, flourish - and yet the demihumans have declared them to be some other thing which doesn't deserve the fine treatments that they do, such as not being killed on sight. And you, a victim of that kind of racism in real life, are spending what appears to be significant effort to convince me that, because orcs are made up, it is somehow not (a fictional depiction of) racism.</blockquote>

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