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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 5353231" data-attributes="member: 177">Sorry it took so long, but I was floating around on a boat in the Caribbean...You're right that one does not necessarily follow the other.  But on the other hand, there's some correlation.  Rebellion is a refusal to obey, or follow orders.  In the world of music, that's typically taken to be a refusal so follow current social or musical norms.As things age, they tend to get absorbed into the standard cultural norms.  If that happens to your Old Thing, then I'm sorry, but your old thing is no longer rebellious.   Or, as the thing ages, the authority or norm that it was rebelling against changes, and there's nothing to rebel against.But, on occasion, you can have an old thing that doesn't fit the current norms, and then it can be rebellious.  Adoption of that which is "retro" can be a rebellion, for example.I personally don't think that's the position Heavy Metal is in, though.  Musically, its conventions have been widely adopted by other genres.  And what it stood for socially (if anything) has become more the norm as well - it is no longer "bucking the system" as it were.</blockquote>