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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 5353698" data-attributes="member: 177">I think, maybe, we are now getting to the point.No.  And I think this may be where we might differ in how we view rebellion.  You keep noting things that make it it's own genre - but being its own genre isn't enough.  Everclear is harsh stuff, and that certainly differentiates it from other things on the market.  Most won't drink it straight.  But that doesn't make it rebellious.  At one time, wearing a T-shirt of a Heavy Metal band was notable - in schools it was almost like wearing black combat fatigues and a trench coat is viewed today - it denoted danger.  Parents sometimes blamed bad things that happened to their kids on the music.  But that is no longer true.  You can wear the shirts now, and people think you're just being retro.  Heavy Metal tunes are turning up on the sound tracks of prime-time TV shows.  I mean, honestly - Ozzy Ozbourne's wife is now the *sweet and nice* judge on "America's Got Talent".  How rebellious can his type of music be?It may be thought of by some as noise, rather than music, but it no longer shocks anyone.  It isn't much of a rebellion if the establishment looks at it, shrugs, and thinks, "Meh."</blockquote>