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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgbrowning" data-source="post: 248163" data-attributes="member: 5724">hide spellI know it was a simplified combat, but its only supposed to take what 1/5 or1/4 of the parties resources.Anywho.. to avoid another long post....wall of force doesn't say you can capture people within it.... that would be forcecage which is a7th level spell vrs a 5th.  wall of ice does say you can capture people.  probably a hole in rules. I've never let it capture people, cause they have another spell to do that.the hidden resilient sphere will eventually get you...  two mages, both casting it per round will eventually kill a party.  Even a twentieth level party.  Certain party members can counter it, spell casters using dispell magic.. etc., but you give the bad guys scrolls with the hidden resilient sphere on it and the party will fall.  The 4 person party only has two spell users and every round they'd be sphered while the enemy mages henchmen fight the rogue and the fighter.  All the mages have to do is stay out of reach of the fighter and rogue.. not that difficult really.I just come at feats from the other side.  I use them against the party.  If they dont like it, i take it out and they cant use it either.  I think Hide falls into that area.personally i like the maxed empowered magic missle.  37points of damage, no save 6th level, always hits.  As to determining metamagic spells +caster level.... i think a stilled spell is worth more than any spell spell one level higher.  Suddenly you can cast in full armor.  Its like being a mage two levels lower.  The best one that people dont think about is that you can scribe feats into scrolls... ie. stilled spells.... anyway i'd make Hide +3 if you'll allow it.  But im a hardass and dont allow anything in thats not in the PHB or that i make up.  Hell, i even change the PHB.  All the metamagic feats in the PHB effect the casters ability to work with magic, they do not change the recipients abilty to resist magic, which is what Hide feat does.  Spell focus feat ads a +2 to DC for one particular school, but it does not change the parameters of the spell like Hide does.  Heighten increases the diffiuculty as if the spell was a higher level, but does not change the way the spell works.That's the reason Hide feat is bogus.  It is the only metamagic feat that negates the RECPIENTS abilities, not just changing the caster's abilities.  As to the shapechange spell..  you can become anything you are familiar with.  that "you" there means the caster not the player.  How many players are familar with the tarrasque or unique dragons.  I define familiar as something you've had significant interaction with.  You've fought it a few time, its your friend, etc.. not something youve heard about or read about.  I (joseph browning) know about wolves.  I am not familar with them.  I am familar with cows and monkeys and dogs and cat... etc...  (i've been to india for the monkeys)joe b.ps. that hidden earthquake would get the tarrasque.</blockquote>

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