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Message: <blockquote data-quote="niklinna" data-source="post: 8807651" data-attributes="member: 71235">Oh, hm, that's a rare scenario in my games with [USER=6696971]@Manbearcat[/USER] (and some other GMs, but they aren't on enworld so I can't tag them!). Sometimes another player will chime in about a devil's bargain. But when an action comes up, I'll describe what I want to do and achieve, and the GM will say, okay, if you succeed this is what you'll get, and but here are the likely complications/consequences (which can include "you don't know"). From there I'll decide if I want to trade position for effect, just like I would in evaluating a real-life decision to act in risky situations. Or not! I might be in a frame of mind where I just want to get things done and take the situation as presented. Either way I am inhabiting my character's state of mind in the situation. But, there's little dithering about what the specific outcome is once the dice fall.I have been in games where the situation devolves into a protracted back-and-forth negotation, and yes, that definitely breaks immersion. But I've actually seen it more often in traditional games than games like Blades in the Dark. For example, I've been in a number of traditional games where there's that one player who's like, "Can I do X and get result Y?" and the GM says no that won't really work like you want. "Well how about if I do A to get result B?"  And the GM says, "No, that would make C happen." And so on. Such players tend to do it frequently enough that it gets really tiresome.So I guess it's more about how the group handles situations than the system being used.Working out tradeoffs is more immersive to me than just jumping into a situation, or having an action result in either success or nada. The latter I particularly find to be immersion-breaking.I've played both types of games, and generally had the opposite experience, so here we are!</blockquote>

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