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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8807674" data-attributes="member: 29398">That's an issue with those specific players, I think.&quot;Are we high enough level to do that?&quot; is a perfectly valid in-character question to ask if rephrased as something like &quot;Do we have the chops to pull that off?&quot;.This comes back to a drum I beat now and then: what is a player's main reason for playing the game.For some, it's the thrill of levelling up on a frequent and regular basis, and doing whatever it takes to accomplish this.For some, it's the pleasure of being someone else in a different environment/world; level-ups etc. are only mildly or not at all important.For some, it's similar to reading a book: they just want to see what comes next in the story and maybe help push it along a bit.Etc.Obviously there's some overlap, but in general the immersionists would mostly be in the second group above.&nbsp; The first group are the sorts you've encounted in the past, it seems.&nbsp; The third group are at one extreme the &quot;passenger&quot; players who do nothing other than ride the GM's railroad, and at the other extreme are the players who maybe don't even need a GM (these can also be hard-core immersionists, of course).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 8807674, member: 29398"] That's an issue with those specific players, I think. "Are we high enough level to do that?" is a perfectly valid in-character question to ask if rephrased as something like "Do we have the chops to pull that off?". This comes back to a drum I beat now and then: what is a player's main reason for playing the game. For some, it's the thrill of levelling up on a frequent and regular basis, and doing whatever it takes to accomplish this. For some, it's the pleasure of being someone else in a different environment/world; level-ups etc. are only mildly or not at all important. For some, it's similar to reading a book: they just want to see what comes next in the story and maybe help push it along a bit. Etc. Obviously there's some overlap, but in general the immersionists would mostly be in the second group above. The first group are the sorts you've encounted in the past, it seems. The third group are at one extreme the "passenger" players who do nothing other than ride the GM's railroad, and at the other extreme are the players who maybe don't even need a GM (these can also be hard-core immersionists, of course). [/QUOTE]

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