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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7225902" data-attributes="member: 996">1974 saw Roe v Wade and it still looked like ERA could be ratified.&nbsp;&nbsp; The Fantasy genre in general, and D&amp;D in particular were not representative of nor held back by the times, they were laggard.&nbsp; Still are.&nbsp;So you get painted (unjustly, mind) as the 'bad guy' by some players at one table.&nbsp; OK, that's not fair.But, to avoid that, you want to deprive everyone who picks up the game of some option?&nbsp; That's not being painted as the bad guy on a small scale, that's actually being the bad guy, on a grand scale.&nbsp;The value judgement, not the restriction, does the painting, in that example.&nbsp;Over.&nbsp; It ran late 2e through Essentials.&nbsp; It was a good run, fun time to play if you had the system mastery &amp; the creativity to take advantage of it, but it's over.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7225902, member: 996"] 1974 saw Roe v Wade and it still looked like ERA could be ratified. The Fantasy genre in general, and D&D in particular were not representative of nor held back by the times, they were laggard. Still are. So you get painted (unjustly, mind) as the 'bad guy' by some players at one table. OK, that's not fair. But, to avoid that, you want to deprive everyone who picks up the game of some option? That's not being painted as the bad guy on a small scale, that's actually being the bad guy, on a grand scale. The value judgement, not the restriction, does the painting, in that example. Over. It ran late 2e through Essentials. It was a good run, fun time to play if you had the system mastery & the creativity to take advantage of it, but it's over. [/QUOTE]

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