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<blockquote data-quote="The_Fan" data-source="post: 5148977" data-attributes="member: 11607">Mu.The question of &quot;is X magical&quot;? In 4e is really best answered like &quot;Does a dog have a Buddha soul?&quot; It can't be answered yes or no, because the distinction between &quot;magical&quot; and &quot;non-magical&quot; does not really exist in 4e anymore. You will never walk into an anti-magic field and find your weapons no longer work. You will never have your powers fail to work on a creature because it has spell resistance. On the flip side, a Fighter who uses Line In The Sand can have it destroyed by a Wizard who casts Dispel Magic! Everything is magic, and nothing is magic. It's all in how you describe.That's an amazing way to not answer your question, but that's the way it is in 4e. A Warlord or Rogue might notice that the beautiful maiden's hair is blowing slightly out of sync with the wind. A Swordmage might feel his blade tremble in the presence of falsehood. A Warlock might hear the voices in his head suddenly start whispering &quot;lies! lies!&quot; A Monk might be so attuned that he hears the guard's heartbeat, and realizes there is no way a 5'6&quot;, 250 lb overweight guard's heart is beating 36 times in a minute. What's important to note is that Insight does NOT pierce the illusion. Rather, it lets you know there is an illusion there. Knowing that wall is an illusion doesn't let you see behind it. You still need to interact or dispel with Arcana to determine if it's concealing a door, a hallway, or a particularly horrifying mural. Likewise, the other uses of Insight don't tell you much more. Knowing that someone is being influenced by an outside force doesn't let you know what it is or why. Could be possessed, could be mind controlled, or they could have his daughter. Knowing that someone is lying doesn't let you know what the truth is.So go ahead and reskin Insight as magical, but don't forget that it does have limitations, and what those limitations are.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The_Fan, post: 5148977, member: 11607"] Mu. The question of "is X magical"? In 4e is really best answered like "Does a dog have a Buddha soul?" It can't be answered yes or no, because the distinction between "magical" and "non-magical" does not really exist in 4e anymore. You will never walk into an anti-magic field and find your weapons no longer work. You will never have your powers fail to work on a creature because it has spell resistance. On the flip side, a Fighter who uses Line In The Sand can have it destroyed by a Wizard who casts Dispel Magic! Everything is magic, and nothing is magic. It's all in how you describe. That's an amazing way to not answer your question, but that's the way it is in 4e. A Warlord or Rogue might notice that the beautiful maiden's hair is blowing slightly out of sync with the wind. A Swordmage might feel his blade tremble in the presence of falsehood. A Warlock might hear the voices in his head suddenly start whispering "lies! lies!" A Monk might be so attuned that he hears the guard's heartbeat, and realizes there is no way a 5'6", 250 lb overweight guard's heart is beating 36 times in a minute. What's important to note is that Insight does NOT pierce the illusion. Rather, it lets you know there is an illusion there. Knowing that wall is an illusion doesn't let you see behind it. You still need to interact or dispel with Arcana to determine if it's concealing a door, a hallway, or a particularly horrifying mural. Likewise, the other uses of Insight don't tell you much more. Knowing that someone is being influenced by an outside force doesn't let you know what it is or why. Could be possessed, could be mind controlled, or they could have his daughter. Knowing that someone is lying doesn't let you know what the truth is. So go ahead and reskin Insight as magical, but don't forget that it does have limitations, and what those limitations are. [/QUOTE]

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