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<blockquote data-quote="FitzTheRuke" data-source="post: 4067944" data-attributes="member: 59816">I never liked Int being important for skill points, as it made it so you had to be intellegent to ever be any good at, say, climbing, or swimming. (As a fighter, if you were dumb you'd never have enough skill points to get any good without being smart!)Also, charisma as a dump stats for PCs never made any sense (exept maybe when it was all about good looks) because it's unlikely the someone without a force-of-personality to speak of could even get motivated to adventure.Dumb rogues seem about right to me.&nbsp; I agree that rogues should be CLEVER but why would you relate that to INT?&nbsp; Most clever people I know aren't neccesarily bright when it comes to math &amp; basic learning skills, but are able to make you THINK they're bright with their wit &amp; charm. Sounds like CHA to me!As long as there are other classes, feats, and powers with INT as an important stat, who cares if there's a few dumb rogues?Although I'd like a future book to have either a rogue &quot;build&quot; with an INT focus (criminal mastermind) and / or a swashbuckler class that combines aspects of the rogue with some smarter moves. Fitz</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FitzTheRuke, post: 4067944, member: 59816"] I never liked Int being important for skill points, as it made it so you had to be intellegent to ever be any good at, say, climbing, or swimming. (As a fighter, if you were dumb you'd never have enough skill points to get any good without being smart!) Also, charisma as a dump stats for PCs never made any sense (exept maybe when it was all about good looks) because it's unlikely the someone without a force-of-personality to speak of could even get motivated to adventure. Dumb rogues seem about right to me. I agree that rogues should be CLEVER but why would you relate that to INT? Most clever people I know aren't neccesarily bright when it comes to math & basic learning skills, but are able to make you THINK they're bright with their wit & charm. Sounds like CHA to me! As long as there are other classes, feats, and powers with INT as an important stat, who cares if there's a few dumb rogues? Although I'd like a future book to have either a rogue "build" with an INT focus (criminal mastermind) and / or a swashbuckler class that combines aspects of the rogue with some smarter moves. Fitz [/QUOTE]

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