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<blockquote data-quote="TaranTheWanderer" data-source="post: 8063563" data-attributes="member: 15882">Yup.&nbsp; You are dealing with a creature that is way out of your league.&nbsp; I think it would take a lot of set up or luck (like stumbling across the information while doing research.)Edit:&nbsp; Also, the Death Knight was from your scenario.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; I was using him as a rival to the lich.&nbsp; We can use 'Powerful, Goodly&nbsp; Paladin' instead.Your informant isn't very good if he can't send a letter...or a sending...or an animal messenger or whatever.&nbsp; I'm sure that if you're about to threaten a Lich, you've probably thought about the logistics.Well, if your whole setup is to use a social conflict to deal with someothing that is way beyond your power level, then it's probably going to involve more than one roll.&nbsp; Or maybe not.&nbsp; Maybe a single roll would suffice.&nbsp; It's just an example after all and not an actual scenario.&nbsp; I'm fairly certain a single persuasion roll isn't going to defeat a Lich either.I'm pretty sure the Potion Vendor example I used was to demonstrate that you could intimidate someone without the threat of physical violence.&nbsp; The example you're using now ignores that.&nbsp; The threat of being kicked out of your guild or being forced to close your shop doesn't involve any violence but is definitely a powerful bit of leverage.&nbsp; Also, I don't want to get into to discussion of good/evil because that's a pointless side-conversation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TaranTheWanderer, post: 8063563, member: 15882"] Yup. You are dealing with a creature that is way out of your league. I think it would take a lot of set up or luck (like stumbling across the information while doing research.) Edit: Also, the Death Knight was from your scenario. I was using him as a rival to the lich. We can use 'Powerful, Goodly Paladin' instead. Your informant isn't very good if he can't send a letter...or a sending...or an animal messenger or whatever. I'm sure that if you're about to threaten a Lich, you've probably thought about the logistics. Well, if your whole setup is to use a social conflict to deal with someothing that is way beyond your power level, then it's probably going to involve more than one roll. Or maybe not. Maybe a single roll would suffice. It's just an example after all and not an actual scenario. I'm fairly certain a single persuasion roll isn't going to defeat a Lich either. I'm pretty sure the Potion Vendor example I used was to demonstrate that you could intimidate someone without the threat of physical violence. The example you're using now ignores that. The threat of being kicked out of your guild or being forced to close your shop doesn't involve any violence but is definitely a powerful bit of leverage. Also, I don't want to get into to discussion of good/evil because that's a pointless side-conversation. [/QUOTE]

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