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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 9539906" data-attributes="member: 710">but is that true?Forging weapons has no specific skill in D&amp;D 4Realistically, forging weapons involves working with steel, using tools that require strength and dexterity. Sure, these mere abilities scores might not change over time, but whether you're a Wizard, Rogue or Fighter, you are going to become more agile, stronger and enduring as you travel the world and fighting bandits, pirates and monsters. And so the stuff you definitely need for Crafting will become better - the Level 20 Wizard isn't some fat slob barely capable of walking in the absolute, he only looks like it compared to his Level 20 Fighter or Rogue friend. He is going to be able to swing that hammer hitting he hot iron better than he was at Level 1, because he was involving in physical challenges for a long time, even if that wasn't why he was with the party.And likewise, the Fighter never learned to cast actual spells, but he has seen spells cast by his Wizard, he listened to the Cleric preaching about the gods or explaining about the heavens, he has seen the Ranger go hunt, he also as seen the Rogue pick locks. He is going to pick up stuff, even if he's never really learned all the fundamentals and could never compete with the specialist in his party, and so he might be able to identify some spell or pick a lock that might have been almost impossible when he was level 1.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 9539906, member: 710"] but is that true? Forging weapons has no specific skill in D&D 4 Realistically, forging weapons involves working with steel, using tools that require strength and dexterity. Sure, these mere abilities scores might not change over time, but whether you're a Wizard, Rogue or Fighter, you are going to become more agile, stronger and enduring as you travel the world and fighting bandits, pirates and monsters. And so the stuff you definitely need for Crafting will become better - the Level 20 Wizard isn't some fat slob barely capable of walking in the absolute, he only looks like it compared to his Level 20 Fighter or Rogue friend. He is going to be able to swing that hammer hitting he hot iron better than he was at Level 1, because he was involving in physical challenges for a long time, even if that wasn't why he was with the party. And likewise, the Fighter never learned to cast actual spells, but he has seen spells cast by his Wizard, he listened to the Cleric preaching about the gods or explaining about the heavens, he has seen the Ranger go hunt, he also as seen the Rogue pick locks. He is going to pick up stuff, even if he's never really learned all the fundamentals and could never compete with the specialist in his party, and so he might be able to identify some spell or pick a lock that might have been almost impossible when he was level 1. [/QUOTE]

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