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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SSquirrel" data-source="post: 4991457" data-attributes="member: 5202">If we accept Smeelbo's claim that IH is incomplete, flawed and doesn't perform as advertised, Ptolus would indeed be at the polar opposite.  Man that book is so sweet <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Just for grins I popped over to IH and grabbed the product description for Iron Heroes:Product DescriptionIt is not the sword, but the arm that wields it. It is not the spell, but the mind that shapes it.Live by the Sword!Iron Heroes is a variant player's handbook in the tradition of Monte Cook's Arcana Unearthed. This exciting new game of heroic combat action is for skilled heroes who have no need for magic swords or arcane trinkets. Armed with their cunning, talent and unmatched bravery, they wade sword-first into a savage world of high adventure.This hardcover provides 10 all-new core classes, an expanded feat system, new combat options, character traits, a new magic paradigm, and much more.Iron Heroes does for d20 combat what Monte Cook's Arcana Evolved does for the d20 magic system. Modifications to the core system allow for high-adventure gaming where a character's talents, not his possessions, determine his abilities. Expansions to the core skill and feat subsystems allow for intriguing new tactics and exciting, cinematic battles. This exciting new game draws in both players looking for a new roleplaying game and those who want useful new rules for their d20 games. This complete handbook for players includes guidelines for incorporating its new rules and options and into d20 games and Arcana Evolved games. High-adventure, not grim and gritty.  Innate ability > gear, more cinematic battles thru new systems.  That part of things actually sounds reasonably accurate from what I have read about IH over time.  The problems became how things got as you went past a certain level (which was a typical D&D problem, esp in the 3.x era) and some sub-systems given what felt like a very slipshop handling, especially the lone magic class.  Yes it is a more melee focused approach, but you don't get a reputation for high-quality, well thought-out and mechanically sound game design by dropping the ball in a significant way on various things.</blockquote>

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