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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 1832028" data-attributes="member: 259">That, slightly modified, doesn't bother me:  there's nothing wrong with playing a PC who bargains hard, and DMs should design plot-hooks with that in mind.  Someone who offers to hire the PCs either needs to know what their top price will be, or needs to have some other means of persuading the PCs.  And they don't necessarily have to start with their top price; it can be pretty fun to play the character who manages to score a better deal for the party. Of course, that should be roleplayed; asking the DM about what an NPC does in the third-person just takes away the fun, IMO. When a character powergames by considering their world and doing their best to excel in it, I've got no problem with it.  A druid who chooses which vermin to make giant based on the relative strengths of the vermin's poisons or attacks is just acting rationally, as is a wizard who carefully balances her spellbook to make sure she's got spells with will, fort, and ref saves. But when a player powergames by combing sourcebooks for the worst-balanced prestige class or feat, or by creating new magic items with ridiculous powers, or by insisting that their character ought to be able to do a much better job than I've just said they did--that's when it gets obnoxious. Daniel</blockquote>