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<blockquote data-quote="Raloc" data-source="post: 3953695" data-attributes="member: 28093">There are two DMs in my group, myself and another.&nbsp; We only really play with the primary group over the net, via ORPG, so whether or not 4e is good largely depends on whether WotC decides to screw everyone over in terms of the &quot;v-minis&quot; (i.e., I might be able to convince them all to pay the extortion (&quot;subscription&quot;) fee to use the tools, but if they make the v-minis available only in random booster packs and not able to use multiple instances of a mini you've bought (plus the possibility of forcing each player to also have the same ones...ugh) there's no chance) or not (if they go with a sane v-mini model wherein you buy the book, and the e-book, and get minis associated with that and can use any number of instances of a single mini, or you can buy minis in packs or individually then maybe).I'm already disliking the fact that I can't use any of the tools with out paying the extortion fee and have to use them through the browser (stupid design choice IMO, I'm a game dev and former web dev and know intimately the many avenues of failure of anything that uses a browser).&nbsp; If they go with the further extortion model for minis, then 4e is out entirely, at least for that group, and likely altogether.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raloc, post: 3953695, member: 28093"] There are two DMs in my group, myself and another. We only really play with the primary group over the net, via ORPG, so whether or not 4e is good largely depends on whether WotC decides to screw everyone over in terms of the "v-minis" (i.e., I might be able to convince them all to pay the extortion ("subscription") fee to use the tools, but if they make the v-minis available only in random booster packs and not able to use multiple instances of a mini you've bought (plus the possibility of forcing each player to also have the same ones...ugh) there's no chance) or not (if they go with a sane v-mini model wherein you buy the book, and the e-book, and get minis associated with that and can use any number of instances of a single mini, or you can buy minis in packs or individually then maybe). I'm already disliking the fact that I can't use any of the tools with out paying the extortion fee and have to use them through the browser (stupid design choice IMO, I'm a game dev and former web dev and know intimately the many avenues of failure of anything that uses a browser). If they go with the further extortion model for minis, then 4e is out entirely, at least for that group, and likely altogether. [/QUOTE]

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