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<blockquote data-quote="Scribble" data-source="post: 1866113" data-attributes="member: 23977"><p>When did I ever actually say this? I'm talking about the 3rd edition of the game. Where it stands currently, and where it could be headed in the future. I'm not going to get into an edition war on this. Persoanly I've had just as fun a time in EVERY edition of the game. (Also I agree with what others have said about this being a bit insulting... and please also remember those memories exist for a reason...)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think what was being said was that a person is always most knowledgeable about their own likes and dislikes. To say that everyone who preffered the old edition is simply nostalgic and should wake up and realize they are wrong is not a valid statement. Everyone is entitled to their own likes and dislikes. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again yes it is a huge plus. I never meant to imply 3e did this any worse then other editions. I'm not trying to have an edition war. See above... When I finally read the 3e rules for the first time I LOVED the concept of feats and PRCs. Still do. My worry is that they are starting the drive the game through simple bonuses. We're moving away from storytelling and adventuring and moving into number crunch competition. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Undersdtandable, but I think in any major rewrite like that (a true low magic) then there's a lot of houseruling that needs to be done. Afterall if you make a very low magic world, you've basically just hamstrung a bunch of classes in either edition. I think the approach to how that would be solved is just different based on the edition. But that's really a different discussion. A good one no doubt, but it would derail this thread I think! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-p" title="Stick out tongue :-p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":-p" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Munchkin??? Now hold on there that's a bit harsh. Sure it got repetative and a little boring seeing pople constantly play the same character, but how is wanting to emulate your heros munchkinism? </p><p></p><p>To me that's the point of the game. To get together with your friends and live the lives of a fantasy adventurers if only for a few hours. In real life I have a boring desk job. But on thursday nights I get to cast magic spells and fight giant fire breathing lizards.</p><p></p><p>And that's the aspect I don't want to see leave the game. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, I'm not saying WOTC is an Illuminati like evil mastermind corporation. They're a business and they're in it to make money. That's what businesses do. What I fear is that they've decided the best way to do that is to cater to the power gamers. And not only that but to begin to grow the idea in new gamer's heads that power gaming is the "way" to play. </p><p></p><p>Is power gaming bad? No. if you have fun with it, then it's great!</p><p></p><p>Is WOTC wanting to make money bad? No, everyone needs a job and needs money, and I like game designers so I think they should make lots of money. </p><p></p><p>What I do see as bad is the possibility of the gameplay itself becoming incidental to the number crunching competition. If this happens we're no longer fighting dragons with our magical sword. We're simply sitting around trying to figure out what bonuses I can stack onto a d8 in order to overcome the dreaded number 660...</p><p></p><p></p><p>p.s. how do you guys get the quote box to say "originally posted by..." I've never figured that out...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scribble, post: 1866113, member: 23977"] When did I ever actually say this? I'm talking about the 3rd edition of the game. Where it stands currently, and where it could be headed in the future. I'm not going to get into an edition war on this. Persoanly I've had just as fun a time in EVERY edition of the game. (Also I agree with what others have said about this being a bit insulting... and please also remember those memories exist for a reason...) I think what was being said was that a person is always most knowledgeable about their own likes and dislikes. To say that everyone who preffered the old edition is simply nostalgic and should wake up and realize they are wrong is not a valid statement. Everyone is entitled to their own likes and dislikes. Again yes it is a huge plus. I never meant to imply 3e did this any worse then other editions. I'm not trying to have an edition war. See above... When I finally read the 3e rules for the first time I LOVED the concept of feats and PRCs. Still do. My worry is that they are starting the drive the game through simple bonuses. We're moving away from storytelling and adventuring and moving into number crunch competition. Undersdtandable, but I think in any major rewrite like that (a true low magic) then there's a lot of houseruling that needs to be done. Afterall if you make a very low magic world, you've basically just hamstrung a bunch of classes in either edition. I think the approach to how that would be solved is just different based on the edition. But that's really a different discussion. A good one no doubt, but it would derail this thread I think! :-p Munchkin??? Now hold on there that's a bit harsh. Sure it got repetative and a little boring seeing pople constantly play the same character, but how is wanting to emulate your heros munchkinism? To me that's the point of the game. To get together with your friends and live the lives of a fantasy adventurers if only for a few hours. In real life I have a boring desk job. But on thursday nights I get to cast magic spells and fight giant fire breathing lizards. And that's the aspect I don't want to see leave the game. Sure, I'm not saying WOTC is an Illuminati like evil mastermind corporation. They're a business and they're in it to make money. That's what businesses do. What I fear is that they've decided the best way to do that is to cater to the power gamers. And not only that but to begin to grow the idea in new gamer's heads that power gaming is the "way" to play. Is power gaming bad? No. if you have fun with it, then it's great! Is WOTC wanting to make money bad? No, everyone needs a job and needs money, and I like game designers so I think they should make lots of money. What I do see as bad is the possibility of the gameplay itself becoming incidental to the number crunching competition. If this happens we're no longer fighting dragons with our magical sword. We're simply sitting around trying to figure out what bonuses I can stack onto a d8 in order to overcome the dreaded number 660... p.s. how do you guys get the quote box to say "originally posted by..." I've never figured that out... [/QUOTE]
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