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Is it fair to cast save-or-suck spells on the players?
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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 7149332" data-attributes="member: 2629"><p>Here is a problem I've seen in a lot of games.</p><p></p><p>The DM assembles an overwhelming force and throws it at the PCs. The DM then proceeds to have the enemy use horrible tactics, cheats die rolls in the favor of the PCs, and in other ways coddles the battle so that the PCs win. </p><p></p><p>That is not fun for many players. Personally, it bugs the heck out of me. </p><p></p><p>This may be what we're seeing here. It was a deadly many times over encounter and involved PCs facing many difficult saves or being eliminated. It is hard for PCs not to get wiped out. If they're competitive when the enemy can launch several save or suck spells with a high DC per round... Yeah.</p><p></p><p>And, yes, I do realize that there are save or suck spells as low as 2nd level and that you can get a massive problem just throwing 20 3rd level clerics with hold person at a party. However, the higher DCs of tough spellcasters really do change things, especially when they target 'bad saves'.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 7149332, member: 2629"] Here is a problem I've seen in a lot of games. The DM assembles an overwhelming force and throws it at the PCs. The DM then proceeds to have the enemy use horrible tactics, cheats die rolls in the favor of the PCs, and in other ways coddles the battle so that the PCs win. That is not fun for many players. Personally, it bugs the heck out of me. This may be what we're seeing here. It was a deadly many times over encounter and involved PCs facing many difficult saves or being eliminated. It is hard for PCs not to get wiped out. If they're competitive when the enemy can launch several save or suck spells with a high DC per round... Yeah. And, yes, I do realize that there are save or suck spells as low as 2nd level and that you can get a massive problem just throwing 20 3rd level clerics with hold person at a party. However, the higher DCs of tough spellcasters really do change things, especially when they target 'bad saves'. [/QUOTE]
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