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Is it fair to cast save-or-suck spells on the players?
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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 7149541" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>yup same page...sometimes things set up to be good things can be turned to a bad outcome...completely agree. Infact going back to this case it is an excellent example of why rules applied 'fairly' can still have a bad outcome...</p><p></p><p> yup...yup...yup same page 100% since the rule is better X% of the time then not having it and X is pretty high it's a good rule even if it gets miss used Y% of the time or leads to a bad outcome...</p><p></p><p>again agreed. My disagreement already is that I don't think anyone is saying (I may be mistaken) that the rule for X should not be X...</p><p></p><p> still on same page here.</p><p></p><p> totally speaking my language here infact this would be something I would say...up until here.</p><p></p><p></p><p> I want to put a pin in this one because I really like being on the 100% same page and this is where you and I see some minor differences</p><p></p><p></p><p> dude this is totally something I would say...infact the best saterday night matt game story I have is a TPK that started a whole campaign (game 1 tpk, we drew up new characters and went off to 'rescue' ourselves but only found dead bodies)</p><p></p><p> Damn...we were so on the same page.</p><p>The consequence was my character was out of the game for a few weeks...I had to draw a new one, get it OKed by DM, then come up with a way to bring the character in. I felt all of those consequences. I also didn't gain XP for weeks while playing a weaker character until my main one was back...all consequences I took much better at 17 then I would at 38. </p><p></p><p>(Today I would not bring in a 1st level character to a 7th level game, get up to 4/5 level then pick back up with my 7th level character when other PCs were at 10th and 11th. I would insist today on if I brought a new PC in to a 7th level game at least starting at 5th)</p><p></p><p></p><p>except again I didn't not have consiquinces, I didn't strom off mad, I just left and came back the next game with an approved temp PC</p><p></p><p> again, I didn't 'take my ball' because I didn't deprive the group of playing...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not playing wasn't my choice...there was no choice to play the game NONE 0 ZIP... my options were </p><p>1)sit and read, </p><p>2)sit and watch</p><p>3)interrupt game to talk to people (that is what I think would be rude)</p><p>4)leave </p><p></p><p></p><p> I have read over and over again people tell me to do things that were not options...but still consider me rude for not interrupting the game</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>the problem is you have yet to give me an option of what to do different, the DM felt I should sit silently because my character could not interact. I have wracked my brain for years to come up with something...if today it happened I guess I could pull out my phone and play or talk to you on enworld...but in the summer of 1998 that not only wasn't an option, but my phone was in a bag cost a small fortune and was my mothers she gave me on weekends fearing an emergency... and was bigger then the PHB.</p><p></p><p> I just don't understand what you thought I should do?</p><p></p><p>look we agree on a lot, but you don't seem to understand that making someone sit silently in your mom's basement for hours watching his buddies play a game he wants to play but can not is infinitely more rude then saying good buys and leaving.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 7149541, member: 67338"] yup same page...sometimes things set up to be good things can be turned to a bad outcome...completely agree. Infact going back to this case it is an excellent example of why rules applied 'fairly' can still have a bad outcome... yup...yup...yup same page 100% since the rule is better X% of the time then not having it and X is pretty high it's a good rule even if it gets miss used Y% of the time or leads to a bad outcome... again agreed. My disagreement already is that I don't think anyone is saying (I may be mistaken) that the rule for X should not be X... still on same page here. totally speaking my language here infact this would be something I would say...up until here. I want to put a pin in this one because I really like being on the 100% same page and this is where you and I see some minor differences dude this is totally something I would say...infact the best saterday night matt game story I have is a TPK that started a whole campaign (game 1 tpk, we drew up new characters and went off to 'rescue' ourselves but only found dead bodies) Damn...we were so on the same page. The consequence was my character was out of the game for a few weeks...I had to draw a new one, get it OKed by DM, then come up with a way to bring the character in. I felt all of those consequences. I also didn't gain XP for weeks while playing a weaker character until my main one was back...all consequences I took much better at 17 then I would at 38. (Today I would not bring in a 1st level character to a 7th level game, get up to 4/5 level then pick back up with my 7th level character when other PCs were at 10th and 11th. I would insist today on if I brought a new PC in to a 7th level game at least starting at 5th) except again I didn't not have consiquinces, I didn't strom off mad, I just left and came back the next game with an approved temp PC again, I didn't 'take my ball' because I didn't deprive the group of playing... Not playing wasn't my choice...there was no choice to play the game NONE 0 ZIP... my options were 1)sit and read, 2)sit and watch 3)interrupt game to talk to people (that is what I think would be rude) 4)leave I have read over and over again people tell me to do things that were not options...but still consider me rude for not interrupting the game the problem is you have yet to give me an option of what to do different, the DM felt I should sit silently because my character could not interact. I have wracked my brain for years to come up with something...if today it happened I guess I could pull out my phone and play or talk to you on enworld...but in the summer of 1998 that not only wasn't an option, but my phone was in a bag cost a small fortune and was my mothers she gave me on weekends fearing an emergency... and was bigger then the PHB. I just don't understand what you thought I should do? look we agree on a lot, but you don't seem to understand that making someone sit silently in your mom's basement for hours watching his buddies play a game he wants to play but can not is infinitely more rude then saying good buys and leaving. [/QUOTE]
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