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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6881615" data-attributes="member: 42582">Yes it does. On p 87, the SRD states that objects can be harmed by physical and magical attacks in much the same way as creatures can be.It goes out of its way to specify that certain spells ignite objects that are neither worn nor carried. In other words, it exempts those objects from the normal application of p 87.You might well specify a certain class of objects as being distinctively affected if you want to carve them out from the general rules stated on p 87, which require the GM to adjudciate hit points, AC etc. That is, in fact, what I think is the most natural reading of the rules as a whole.Your reiterating your own preferred reading doesn't change the fact that I am also reading and applying the rules as they are written. I am also curious as to what you think that point of p 87 is - at I already pointed out, a good number of the spell effects that cause damage are the fire spells.The point is absolutely about fire. The rules tells us what fire damage is: it's damage caused by flames, and by the fiery breath of dragons. This is reinforced by the spell descriptions themselves talking about "thin sheets of flame", "explosions of flame" and the like. No where do the rules carry even the remotest suggestion that these are all some sort of pseudo- or magical fire that is incapable of singing the hat a goblin is wearing even as it burns the hair off the goblin's head.Nor is there a single word stating that held/worn objects can't be damaged. That's the point. You are also extrapolating beyond what is expressly stated. You are extrapolating, from the specification of certain objects, that the general rules on p 87 are displaced. That is not stated anywhere. (There is a generic statement about "specific excluding general", but I am also applying that statement: the specific rules about ignition displace the general rules about the GM deciding on hit points, etc).You also haven't discussed ice. Can a fireball spell melt ice? Does it matter whether or not the ice is in the possession of a creature?</blockquote>

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