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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 6911211" data-attributes="member: 6704184">So...by RAW, not being seen isn't enough to be hidden, as defined by the rules.&nbsp;if you arent hidden, anyone looking for you, that could perceive you with any sense, knows where you are. Any sense, not just vision. A blind/blinded creature treats everyone as if they were invisible, not as if they were hidden. To be undetected without actually &quot;hiding&quot;, you would have to be invisible, silent, leave no trace, and have no noticeable smell. Thus, my earlier point that if the person trying to find you isn't that close, they probably shouldn't have any idea where you are, unless they can read tracks, and the area allows for tracks, or they have better than human smell, etc. but if they follow you into a room and stand near enough to hear you, they do. Because you aren't hidden. It's an abstraction, but so is being able to hide while standing still a foot away from a creature, invisible or not, so...deal?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 6911211, member: 6704184"] So...by RAW, not being seen isn't enough to be hidden, as defined by the rules. if you arent hidden, anyone looking for you, that could perceive you with any sense, knows where you are. Any sense, not just vision. A blind/blinded creature treats everyone as if they were invisible, not as if they were hidden. To be undetected without actually "hiding", you would have to be invisible, silent, leave no trace, and have no noticeable smell. Thus, my earlier point that if the person trying to find you isn't that close, they probably shouldn't have any idea where you are, unless they can read tracks, and the area allows for tracks, or they have better than human smell, etc. but if they follow you into a room and stand near enough to hear you, they do. Because you aren't hidden. It's an abstraction, but so is being able to hide while standing still a foot away from a creature, invisible or not, so...deal? [/QUOTE]

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