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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Khaalis" data-source="post: 1419146" data-attributes="member: 2167">I have mulled this over many times myself but always come back to the fact that weapon speed doesnt account for weapon reach nor weapon use skill, which makes the idea too arbitrary.The real issue is that the entire concept is a bit arbitrary to begin with. Yes a weapon like a great sword is a hulking weapon. However in the hands of a skilled user it is just as "viable" in combat as any other weapon used by a proficient user. It is really quite difficult to say that any one weapon is "faster" than another.  However...if we set realism asside, and were to insist on weapon speed adjestments, I would agree to using the Iteration modifiers presented by EQ.  I disgree with using initiative modifiers because initiative has nothing to do with weapon use, it is the characters reaction time and reflexes.The problem is how to assign the weapon speeds. Is it based on Weapon class? Weight? Or just picked randomly based on what someone thinks should be faster?Even though a Trident is a 4 lb. One-Handed weapon, I would disgree that it would be the same ease of use (speed) as a Longsword (also a 4lb. One-Handed weapon).  On the other hand, as a trained staff user myself, I know that the staff style is a very fast fighting style even though it is a 4 lb. Two-Handed weapon.However, back to the original topic, the trident and q-staff have reach on the longsword.  So how would these be classified?Personally I would just prefer to see one or two new feats something along the lines of this.WEAPON SPEED [GENERAL]Choose one type of weapon for which you have already selected the Weapon Focus feat. You can also choose unarmed strike or grapple as your weapon for purposes of this feat. You are faster than normal when using this weapon.Prerequisites: Proficiency with selected weapon, Weapon Focus with selected weapon, base attack bonus +8Benefit: Your iterated attacks in a full attack with this weapon increase in speed from -5 to -4 (as a Monk's unarmed strikes). Thus at base attack bonus +9 your iterated attacks increase from the standard +9/+4 to +9/+5/+1 with this weapon.Special: You can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects do not stack. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new type of weapon......A fighter may select Weapon Speed as one of his fighter bonus feats.GREATER WEAPON SPEED [GENERAL]Choose one type of weapon for which you have already selected the Weapon Speed feat. You can also choose unarmed strike or grapple as your weapon for purposes of this feat. Prerequisites: Proficiency with selected weapon, Weapon Focus with selected weapon, Greater Weapon Focus with selected weapon, Weapon Speed with the selected weapon, Fighter level 12Benefit: Your iterated attacks in a full attack with this weapon increase in speed from -4 to -3. Thus at base attack bonus +12 your iterated attacks increase from the standard +12/+7/+2 to +12/+9/+6/+3 with this weapon.Special: You can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects do not stack. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new type of weapon......A fighter must have Greater Weapon Focus with a given weapon to gain the Greater Weapon Speed feat for that weapon. .....A fighter may select Greater Weapon Speed as one of his fighter bonus feats.JMHOs and random thoughts.</blockquote>

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