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Is it just me or do any of you think Speed Factor on weapons should be brought back?
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<blockquote data-quote="SSquirrel" data-source="post: 1423309" data-attributes="member: 5202"><p>I actually enjoy the iterative attacks table from Everquest as you can have weapons with seriously slow or fast speeds making many more or many less attacks each round...which just kinda makes sense. I don't care if you are a 20th level fighter...4 attacks in a round with a longsword seems much more possible than with a halberd. </p><p> </p><p> Here's a quick example of the different iterative charts and unmodified weapons for those speeds:</p><p> </p><p> BAB +10</p><p> </p><p> Weapon Delay 2*:10/8/6/4/2</p><p> Weapon Delay 3 Very Quick:10/7/4/1</p><p> Weapon Delay 4 Quick:10/6/2 Dagger/Rapier/Scimitar</p><p> Weapon Delay 5 Standard:10/5 Shortsword, battle axe, bastard sword</p><p> Weapon Delay 6 Slow:10/4 Broad Sword, Heavy Pick, Morningstar, Greatsword</p><p> Weapon Delay 7 Very Slow:10/3</p><p> </p><p> *No weapon has a delay of 2, but this column would be used for characters with a delay 3 weapon and the Double Attack feat or under the effects of a Haste spell, for example.</p><p> </p><p> No weapon is listed as being Very Slow either so I'm not sure when you would use that chart...except maybe when a Slow type spell has been cast on you. You never gain more than 5 attacks in a round with these charts either, however, if you can use Delay 2 you obviously have a much better attack bonus on each than someone using the delay 5 chart (BAB+20 gives 20/18/16/14/12 for Delay 2 and 20/15/10/5 for Delay 5)</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> So apparently most of you have gamers who don't give a crap about what actually goes into making an interesting character and just bow down to the damage god? Sounds that way from reading the thread. In our group we rarely have anyone choose a greatsword. Sure we'll occasionally have one getting used, but usually there's someone wielding an axe...a bow of some sort...maybe a scimitar or falchion. I made a 3E bard once who used a whip in 1 hand and a shortspear in the other. He was interesting to play and I thought he was a lot of fun.</p><p> </p><p> Heck if you really wanted to point pimp you'd be using a Scythe. Scythe is 2d4 with a x4 crit. Get a keen one made, take Improved Critical, etc etc and be dealing 8d4 20% of the time or better. Numerically speaking tho Falchion is likely a better choice for that. 2d4 with a threat range of 18-20/x2. Keen and Imp Crit make it 12-20 or 45% of your attacks dealing 4d4.</p><p> </p><p> Hagen</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SSquirrel, post: 1423309, member: 5202"] I actually enjoy the iterative attacks table from Everquest as you can have weapons with seriously slow or fast speeds making many more or many less attacks each round...which just kinda makes sense. I don't care if you are a 20th level fighter...4 attacks in a round with a longsword seems much more possible than with a halberd. Here's a quick example of the different iterative charts and unmodified weapons for those speeds: BAB +10 Weapon Delay 2*:10/8/6/4/2 Weapon Delay 3 Very Quick:10/7/4/1 Weapon Delay 4 Quick:10/6/2 Dagger/Rapier/Scimitar Weapon Delay 5 Standard:10/5 Shortsword, battle axe, bastard sword Weapon Delay 6 Slow:10/4 Broad Sword, Heavy Pick, Morningstar, Greatsword Weapon Delay 7 Very Slow:10/3 *No weapon has a delay of 2, but this column would be used for characters with a delay 3 weapon and the Double Attack feat or under the effects of a Haste spell, for example. No weapon is listed as being Very Slow either so I'm not sure when you would use that chart...except maybe when a Slow type spell has been cast on you. You never gain more than 5 attacks in a round with these charts either, however, if you can use Delay 2 you obviously have a much better attack bonus on each than someone using the delay 5 chart (BAB+20 gives 20/18/16/14/12 for Delay 2 and 20/15/10/5 for Delay 5) So apparently most of you have gamers who don't give a crap about what actually goes into making an interesting character and just bow down to the damage god? Sounds that way from reading the thread. In our group we rarely have anyone choose a greatsword. Sure we'll occasionally have one getting used, but usually there's someone wielding an axe...a bow of some sort...maybe a scimitar or falchion. I made a 3E bard once who used a whip in 1 hand and a shortspear in the other. He was interesting to play and I thought he was a lot of fun. Heck if you really wanted to point pimp you'd be using a Scythe. Scythe is 2d4 with a x4 crit. Get a keen one made, take Improved Critical, etc etc and be dealing 8d4 20% of the time or better. Numerically speaking tho Falchion is likely a better choice for that. 2d4 with a threat range of 18-20/x2. Keen and Imp Crit make it 12-20 or 45% of your attacks dealing 4d4. Hagen [/QUOTE]
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