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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6354225" data-attributes="member: 996">There are at least two entirely conceptual arguments I can think of:1) A fire elementalist conjures and controls fire to make his attacks by burning targets with fire, therefore, when he throws fire at a creature /made of fire/, it does nothing, because fire doesn't burn fire - if anything, he might heal the elemental.&nbsp; (This one's actually a tad simplistic: for instance, people are made of flesh and bone, but if you drop a cow on a person, it'll /hurt/.)2) A fire elementalists conjures and /controls/ fire to make his attacks, usually by burning things with fire.&nbsp; But, when he attacks a fire elemental, he can use his mastery of the element to do horrible damage to the creature's substance, directly - if not take it over completely and control it like a puppet.&nbsp; (One potential argument against this /is/ gamist, though:&nbsp; letting a mage just seize control of monsters as potent as elementals could be overpowered.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6354225, member: 996"] There are at least two entirely conceptual arguments I can think of: 1) A fire elementalist conjures and controls fire to make his attacks by burning targets with fire, therefore, when he throws fire at a creature /made of fire/, it does nothing, because fire doesn't burn fire - if anything, he might heal the elemental. (This one's actually a tad simplistic: for instance, people are made of flesh and bone, but if you drop a cow on a person, it'll /hurt/.) 2) A fire elementalists conjures and /controls/ fire to make his attacks, usually by burning things with fire. But, when he attacks a fire elemental, he can use his mastery of the element to do horrible damage to the creature's substance, directly - if not take it over completely and control it like a puppet. (One potential argument against this /is/ gamist, though: letting a mage just seize control of monsters as potent as elementals could be overpowered.) [/QUOTE]

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