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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 6354699" data-attributes="member: 58197">I guess we'll have to see what monster save DCs look like in the final version. In the bestiary, I found exactly two monsters with Wisdom save DCs of 18 or higher: Asmodeus and the pit fiend. Everything else was DC 15 or lower. And the fighter could easily have +1 or +2 on Wisdom saves with no feat investment, just from starting stats.What little data can be gleaned from comparing the bestiary to the Starter Set suggests average save DCs may have risen by 1-2 overall; ghoul save DCs fell by 2, giant spider save DCs rose by 1, wraith save DCs rose by 2, dragon save DCs rose by 2. That still wouldn't put many saves into the 18+ range.</blockquote>