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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5585071" data-attributes="member: 82106">Eh, that fight is sloggy though. The giant has basically one trick, move to melee range and thump with club. Meanwhile AC25 (reflex is 23) means you've got PCs hitting on around a 17, maybe 15 at the very best. It will be a long slow process. If the PCs play fairly optimum tactics you're looking at around 4 rounds of full up everyone aiming at the giant to kill. I agree, you can make a successful encounter out of that, but it is far from ideal. It has a club doing 3d10+11 damage (average 27.5 per hit and with a +11 it will be getting in some hits). I've argued this from both sides at different times, and experience has shown that it is true that off level encounters in some cases can be less risky in 4e only a small subset of them will be fun. The question is if in a sandbox you'll run into the fun ones or the dull ones. The hill giant example is also peculiar, it isn't a higher level encounter in either game, and you'd also want to look at mismatched encounters at other play levels.</blockquote>