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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Utrecht" data-source="post: 1164280" data-attributes="member: 1411">In addition to all of the discussions above - I think that it is important to look at why societies formed.Granted this will be a very humanocentric analysis but since this is the only real history we have to look at - I will go with it (and yes, I acknowledge that there are exceptions to each of the below) - more information about this can also be found in Jared Diamonds book "Guns, Germs and Steel" - a good read IMO.Fundamentally homo sapiens is a social creature and as such has a very strong desire to congregate into groups.  However, we also tend to be a fairly territorial/agressive species as well - consequently it became necessary for first a set of traditions and then formalized laws to be created allowing both sides of our natures to co-exist.  Thus, even the most chaotic of societies will have some measure of law - this typically includes such things as don't kill your neighbor, etc.  (Which means IMO that humans are inherently LN)For the first part of our history - mankind was a very tribal based - forming tribes along extended families.  These tend to be very chaotic societies - ruled by some sort of patriach/matriarch - who rules tend to be fluid depending on circumstance and whim (with some laws/traditions constant - again don't kill your parents).  These families tended to be hunter-gathers living from day to day - with all members of the society working towards gathering food.Once manking discovered agriculture - we were able create long-term settlements - thereby leading to food surplus - allowing individuals to focus on non-food producing activities - and the generation and formation of the concept of wealth.  Obviously those that obtained wealth then wanted to manner of protecting this wealth - thus necessitating the formation of formalized laws - and the social constructs to enforce themOver time, these cities became city-states, kingdoms, proto-empires and full empires - with each step along the way introducing more laws defining the social constructs of the organization.  Again, most of these laws were designed to:1) Define power (what it meant, who held it, what their responsabilites to the masses were2) Protect wealth (whether nation wealth, personal wealth or social wealth (things like rape, abuse, etc)Therefore, when I look at chaotic societies - I would expect to see very little in the way of formally defining power - and very little done to protect wealth.  Thus, as the more people congregate, the more inherently lawful a society will become....</blockquote>

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