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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LoneWolf23" data-source="post: 1165212" data-attributes="member: 643">One of the biggest problems I've seen in this debate is the tendancy to try and categorize societies as either Completly Lawful or Completly Chaotic.  Not every society will be one extreme over the other, after all.  Heck, a society might be Neutral in regards to Law or Chaos, or even flux from Lawful to Neutral to Chaotic over time.  Take the Romans: in the early days of the Empire, the Romans were very much Lawful, with a stable political system, a well-organised government, social classes and even a system of patronage...  Around the end of the Empire, however, the social system had already begun crumbling with corruption, and in the end the Empire was taken over by the barbarians who had begun invading it, and Rome became chaotic...Edit: Additional - Societies can have different levels of Law and Chaos then just extremes:  Take the USA, for exemple.  That is a society I'd define as Neutral in terms of Law/Chaos: there are laws that establish social order, but those laws are fluid and determined primarily by the people, for the people.The Celts, who were a chaotic people, still had laws, though they were mainly used as customs to handle certain situations, rather then strict guidelines to follow.And the Empires of Emperors such as Ch'in were mainly Lawful, though they were so big, with such large and complex bureaucracies that seemed Chaotic when seen from the outside.Alignment isn't always about Complete extremes, you know.  Sometimes it's just a matter of how you're more one way then another.</blockquote>

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