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<blockquote data-quote="shadzar" data-source="post: 5433984" data-attributes="member: 6667746">So then, would you say the presentation can lead to people not being able to see the forest for the trees?Again I use that way someone might think &quot;I attack the darkness&quot;, and see if you don't have a properly listed target, then being out of combat, the powers are presented in a manner that would make you think you cannot use them otherwise. Consider this especially so for Attack/ Encounter powers, when you are not in an encounter.So while the DMG may correct this, it fails to be addressed to the players, so players don't try to step off the line of using powers as they aren't really told anything form the mystical Page 42 that appears in the DMG.In regards to 5th edition, doesn't mean it has to be, just the failure of keywording present in all WotC games needs to be acknowledged and addressed.When you place a &quot;keyword&quot; on something, odds are people view that as defining, rather than suggesting, otherwise why bother taking the time to assign that keyword to it?Really to me I could see people thinking this keyworded power gets palced on the &quot;stack&quot; per Magic the Gathering, where after you do an attack, you have to check states of everything to see if anything can respond to the attack before it is complete, such as optional actions or triggered effects from the &quot;attack&quot; being initiated.But not trying to related 4th to CCGs with that, I could to that MANY other ways, just saying the presentation is in need of fixing but not requiring a new edition to do so, unless these &quot;power types&quot; are so ingrained into the system.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="shadzar, post: 5433984, member: 6667746"] So then, would you say the presentation can lead to people not being able to see the forest for the trees? Again I use that way someone might think "I attack the darkness", and see if you don't have a properly listed target, then being out of combat, the powers are presented in a manner that would make you think you cannot use them otherwise. Consider this especially so for Attack/ Encounter powers, when you are not in an encounter. So while the DMG may correct this, it fails to be addressed to the players, so players don't try to step off the line of using powers as they aren't really told anything form the mystical Page 42 that appears in the DMG. In regards to 5th edition, doesn't mean it has to be, just the failure of keywording present in all WotC games needs to be acknowledged and addressed. When you place a "keyword" on something, odds are people view that as defining, rather than suggesting, otherwise why bother taking the time to assign that keyword to it? Really to me I could see people thinking this keyworded power gets palced on the "stack" per Magic the Gathering, where after you do an attack, you have to check states of everything to see if anything can respond to the attack before it is complete, such as optional actions or triggered effects from the "attack" being initiated. But not trying to related 4th to CCGs with that, I could to that MANY other ways, just saying the presentation is in need of fixing but not requiring a new edition to do so, unless these "power types" are so ingrained into the system. [/QUOTE]

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