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<blockquote data-quote="shadzar" data-source="post: 5434430" data-attributes="member: 6667746">I was answering the question asked to me which was:By the same token, how are many older edition spells any different? How many times have you seen fireball used outside of combat, despite that being the purpose of the fireball spell?But if you want to get down to who would think about it in 4th edition lets look at fireball, and Intelligence attack against a Reflex defense right?Targets each creature within the burst right?Now does it say it will ignite combustible material anywhere to give people the idea it would, or could it be another magical flame that is like Magic Missile, that doesnt do anything outside of what it says. Previous editions explicitly say ANYTHING within the blast area that is combustible is ignited. That is the big difference.Sure a DM might allow it, but first the player has to choose to try to use it outside of combat, outside of the box. Is there anything in the power description of 4th that would lead you to believe it was usable other than during combat?The power itself says it targets/affects creatures. A player has to WANT to try something else with it for the DM to apply page 42 to that action.In the context of the discussion it was brought up in, what does this fireball power in 4th inspire for someone to try to use it outside of combat other than having &quot;fire&quot; in the name of the spell, but the spell itself, even with the Fire keyword, defines the affected thigns of the spell?You just keep mentioning RoleMaster, and it sounds to me like that IdolMaster game, so have no clue what you are really trying to say. So I really can't answer any questions in regards to 4th edition players in comparison/contrast to RoleMaster players since I have no idea what RoleMaster is.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="shadzar, post: 5434430, member: 6667746"] I was answering the question asked to me which was: [CENTER]By the same token, how are many older edition spells any different? How many times have you seen fireball used outside of combat, despite that being the purpose of the fireball spell?[/CENTER] But if you want to get down to who would think about it in 4th edition lets look at fireball, and Intelligence attack against a Reflex defense right? Targets each creature within the burst right? Now does it say it will ignite combustible material anywhere to give people the idea it would, or could it be another magical flame that is like Magic Missile, that doesnt do anything outside of what it says. Previous editions explicitly say ANYTHING within the blast area that is combustible is ignited. That is the big difference. Sure a DM might allow it, but first the player has to choose to try to use it outside of combat, outside of the box. Is there anything in the power description of 4th that would lead you to believe it was usable other than during combat? The power itself says it targets/affects creatures. A player has to WANT to try something else with it for the DM to apply page 42 to that action. In the context of the discussion it was brought up in, what does this fireball power in 4th inspire for someone to try to use it outside of combat other than having "fire" in the name of the spell, but the spell itself, even with the Fire keyword, defines the affected thigns of the spell? You just keep mentioning RoleMaster, and it sounds to me like that IdolMaster game, so have no clue what you are really trying to say. So I really can't answer any questions in regards to 4th edition players in comparison/contrast to RoleMaster players since I have no idea what RoleMaster is. [/QUOTE]

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