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<blockquote data-quote="kenada" data-source="post: 8205174" data-attributes="member: 70468"><p>I think the assumption is you could pare down the complexity/etc while preserving the system’s customization and tactical elements. There are some subsystems that border on vestigial. For example, the core rules have an entire subsystem for vision. It does basically nothing*. The Beginner Box dispenses with it and just explains what happens in plain language. PF2 would be an easier to understand game if it did more of <em>that</em> instead of trying (or appearing to try) to enumerate all the things you can do with specific rules for each.</p><p></p><p>--</p><p>* Specifically, it only defines what happens if you try to attack a hidden or undetected creature. All the stuff we associate with being hidden (moving, what happens when you take certain actions, treating targets as flat-footed, etc) is actually handled as riders on the Sneak and Hide skill actions, which makes those skills extremely verbose and harder to understand. The Beginner Box puts that stuff in a side bar next to the Stealth skill.</p><p></p><p>[SPOILER="Sneak (CRB vs. BB)"]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There’s a sidebar on page 59 that explains what happens when you end stealth. Because the sidebar is not tied to a specific action, it provides GMs with a tool for adjudicating unexpected situations (or even expected ones where they’ve forgotten the specific skill actions).</p><p></p><p></p><p>[/SPOILER]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kenada, post: 8205174, member: 70468"] I think the assumption is you could pare down the complexity/etc while preserving the system’s customization and tactical elements. There are some subsystems that border on vestigial. For example, the core rules have an entire subsystem for vision. It does basically nothing*. The Beginner Box dispenses with it and just explains what happens in plain language. PF2 would be an easier to understand game if it did more of [I]that[/I] instead of trying (or appearing to try) to enumerate all the things you can do with specific rules for each. -- * Specifically, it only defines what happens if you try to attack a hidden or undetected creature. All the stuff we associate with being hidden (moving, what happens when you take certain actions, treating targets as flat-footed, etc) is actually handled as riders on the Sneak and Hide skill actions, which makes those skills extremely verbose and harder to understand. The Beginner Box puts that stuff in a side bar next to the Stealth skill. [SPOILER="Sneak (CRB vs. BB)"] There’s a sidebar on page 59 that explains what happens when you end stealth. Because the sidebar is not tied to a specific action, it provides GMs with a tool for adjudicating unexpected situations (or even expected ones where they’ve forgotten the specific skill actions). [/SPOILER] [/QUOTE]
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