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<blockquote data-quote="transmission89" data-source="post: 8232684" data-attributes="member: 6688441"><p>Im not straw manning anything because I haven’t taken something said by someone, made a bizarre leap of logic and stated that as the argument to defend.</p><p></p><p>I am in no way saying they are not for profit. I have never made that claim or said anything to the same effect.</p><p></p><p>You made the statement that “because they wanted more money... their game system gets expanded with tons of new rules, classes and what else in a few short years”.</p><p></p><p>Your Assertion: Paizo want to make a lot more money. Therefore, to increase this income, new rules are going to be the main focus.</p><p></p><p>My statement: “you mean the money they get from all the rules they publish for free?”</p><p></p><p>A statement to point out the logical flaw that if they wanted to focus as rules as the main driver, it’s a pretty stupid business decision to also give all the rules away for free.</p><p></p><p>This statement does not imply that they don’t make profit from the rule books (of course they do), it merely serves to refute your assertion.</p><p></p><p>You then read my statement, completely misinterpret it and ask “if you are implying Paizo is a non profit organisation...”.</p><p></p><p>Then in a later post state : “for example the guy suggesting Paizo is non profit...”</p><p></p><p>In this quoted post you state: “you are trying to paint them as non profit... it’s like saying wotc doesn’t make money off their products...”</p><p></p><p>No I’m not and no it’s not like saying that at all. You are also right, it’s a ridiculous argument, but you’re the one making it, not me. </p><p></p><p></p><p>All in all, a statement I never made, you are making it for me and rebutting this non existent statement, you are straw manning. QED.</p><p></p><p>In another related post, you state “I have NO evidence though to back up my next statement...” then proceed to make one anyway about how you think the rules have become their main focus of money.</p><p></p><p>So as well as straw manning, you are wildly making claims with, in your own words, no evidence to support these assertions.</p><p></p><p>It’s also equally asinine to compare it to wotc’s giving away the basic rules and SRD for free as again, Paizo give everything for free (apart from their lore IP).</p><p></p><p>So let me be clear on what I am not saying:</p><p>A) That Paizo is non profit</p><p>B) That Paizo is not interested in money from their rules.</p><p>C) That Paizo makes no money from their rules.</p><p></p><p>Let me be Clear on what I am saying:</p><p>A)Your (as stated by you) baseless assertion that Paizo decided to produce more rulebooks as their main money driver during the pf1 run is flawed logic as they give all the rules away for free online (of course, it’d be nice if people could purchase those books as well).</p><p>B) In their own statements, Paizo have consistently said that APs are their main monetary focus (everything else is extra) and everything they do (including making rules) is in service to that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="transmission89, post: 8232684, member: 6688441"] Im not straw manning anything because I haven’t taken something said by someone, made a bizarre leap of logic and stated that as the argument to defend. I am in no way saying they are not for profit. I have never made that claim or said anything to the same effect. You made the statement that “because they wanted more money... their game system gets expanded with tons of new rules, classes and what else in a few short years”. Your Assertion: Paizo want to make a lot more money. Therefore, to increase this income, new rules are going to be the main focus. My statement: “you mean the money they get from all the rules they publish for free?” A statement to point out the logical flaw that if they wanted to focus as rules as the main driver, it’s a pretty stupid business decision to also give all the rules away for free. This statement does not imply that they don’t make profit from the rule books (of course they do), it merely serves to refute your assertion. You then read my statement, completely misinterpret it and ask “if you are implying Paizo is a non profit organisation...”. Then in a later post state : “for example the guy suggesting Paizo is non profit...” In this quoted post you state: “you are trying to paint them as non profit... it’s like saying wotc doesn’t make money off their products...” No I’m not and no it’s not like saying that at all. You are also right, it’s a ridiculous argument, but you’re the one making it, not me. All in all, a statement I never made, you are making it for me and rebutting this non existent statement, you are straw manning. QED. In another related post, you state “I have NO evidence though to back up my next statement...” then proceed to make one anyway about how you think the rules have become their main focus of money. So as well as straw manning, you are wildly making claims with, in your own words, no evidence to support these assertions. It’s also equally asinine to compare it to wotc’s giving away the basic rules and SRD for free as again, Paizo give everything for free (apart from their lore IP). So let me be clear on what I am not saying: A) That Paizo is non profit B) That Paizo is not interested in money from their rules. C) That Paizo makes no money from their rules. Let me be Clear on what I am saying: A)Your (as stated by you) baseless assertion that Paizo decided to produce more rulebooks as their main money driver during the pf1 run is flawed logic as they give all the rules away for free online (of course, it’d be nice if people could purchase those books as well). B) In their own statements, Paizo have consistently said that APs are their main monetary focus (everything else is extra) and everything they do (including making rules) is in service to that. [/QUOTE]
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