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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 8233197" data-attributes="member: 4348">I am glad you are not Paizo's spokesman (as far as I know of).  I think your attacks have used a strawman to change the focus of the discussion.  In fact, not only that, but you have successfully argued AGAINST YOURSELF and YOUR OWN COMMENTS in this thread.  I've never seen someone so eager to invalidate their own posts they created earlier.  It is actually rather baffling.Anyways, as you wish to continue this line of ideas rather than what I actually was discussing (and that is why you shouldn't strawman other ideas and instead pay attention to what someone actually wrote instead of jumping to attack them without fully reading their posts)...I'll continue this line of discussion you have changed the current discussion to rather than what was being discussed...A)I said NOTHING about the free rules and they have NOTHING to do what sales are driving Paizo's sales right now.  Why even bring them up?Paizo does NOT give ALL their stuff online for free.  They have rules and information which are OGL content and PRD content.  WotC gives their rules away for free online as well.  In fact, one could say they give MORE of their stuff away online than even Paizo.  Paizo wouldn't even exist if WotC had not done this with D20, and WotC STILL gives away their rules for free...in the same way Paizo gives away their rules for free.More to the point, the organizations that normally are the hosts and websites for them ARE hosted under non-profit or non-profit organizations in several instances.  If you want to talk about THEM and their practices, well, then we are discussing non-profits and their sales rather than what Paizo is selling and making money off of.Your statement could apply to WotC just as easily.  Your statement is applicable just as much to them.  It applied to 3e and 3.5 (upon which PF1e is based, and PF2e still uses the OGL I believe, both items given away for free by WotC and Hasbro regarding rules).Giving these rules away for free does not indicate anything about what a company is actually focusing on making money off of, unless you are implying those same implications in regards to ANY of the companies out there that are giving away their rules for free (and there are more of them out there than you might suppose).Furthermore, Paizo have stated some rather interesting things on the subject which heavily imply their dependence on rulebook sales in recent years, which is something you are conveniently ignoring.   Their sales have NOTHING to do with the PRD really, though the creation and reasons for 2e DO have things to do with rulebooks and the reasons for coming out with 2e.Your statement had NOTHING to do with what I stated and has attempted to change the entire focus of the discussion into something that you have decided to talk about instead.That is straw manning.  I'd prefer if you stop accusing others of the same thing you are attempting.B) They USED to have stated that.  IF you had even fully READ my statements rather than instantly jumping on the attack wagon against ANYONE and EVERYONE that you perceive is against you and your ideas (hint, if you actually READ what I had written you'd realize some of it actually supported your statements earlier in the thread) you'd realize I actually said that already and noted that they had said this earlier on.  In fact, my initial answer was that the APs could still be the primary support, but by their actions and some of their statements, they have shown it is not, and in fact, every qualifier and indicater indicates some other things.  A lot of this actually supports some items you were arguing for earlier in the thread.  Instead, you are actually ARGUING against your own ideas that you presented earlier in the thread.  I was explaining what their focus is these days with Pathfinder.  It is no longer strictly supported by the APs, if it were, there would be no purpose or reason for them to have 2e.  If you actually read what Paizo has said in recent years (and my statements were taken directly from some of the items they have stated over the past three years on the subject), you'd note that my ideas actually came directly from some of their statements.In addition, you'd have read why the actual reasons (given off by Paizo themselves I believe, though I'm not sifting through their statements for the exact links) why PF sales may actually be up, even if some indicators seem to show that they have less a percentage of the market.  That the truth may be (as per Paizo) that they are actually having MORE sales today than ever before, especially in regards to how the RULES and RULEBOOKS for Pathfinder are selling and those participating in it.You are so hyped in regards to some that you jump to the conclusions that they must be against you that you cannot even recognize a statement that is not actually attacking your ideas you have presented.</blockquote>

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