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<blockquote data-quote="kenada" data-source="post: 8233417" data-attributes="member: 70468"><p>Something tells me I’m going to regret getting involved with this particular discussion, but here I go.</p><p></p><p>The amount of content that has been released under the OGL is not unknowable. You can go to the <a href="https://www.d20srd.org" target="_blank">d20 SRD</a> site and see that the volume of content published by Paizo under the OGL far exceeds that for 3e and 5e combined, and that doesn’t even include <a href="https://2e.aonprd.com" target="_blank">PF2</a>.</p><p></p><p>If I’m understanding correctly, what’s being claimed is that WotC’s content is <em>greater</em> than Paizo’s because WotC got the whole thing started. Without their content, Pathfinder would not have happened. That’s a category error: comparing magnanimity to volume. The two sides are talking about different things, and they’re talking past each other.</p><p></p><p>I agree with [USER=7021420]@fearsomepirate[/USER] regarding sales numbers. We can make some inferences, but there are parts that are unknowable. My intuition is that subscription sales insulate Paizo enough from market pressure that they’re going to continue doing PF2 until those start flagging (but that’s just my intuition with little base in fact).</p><p></p><p>It’s possible that Paizo could have transitioned into being something like a Goodman Games where they produce APs for 5e but also support their own game. The big problem for PF1 compared to DCC is that PF1 players are all about character options. That’s one of the big contentions about PF2: it invalidates all that content, and it can’t even support the diversity of builds that PF1 did.</p><p></p><p>I’m curious what a PF3 will look like. What I would like to see is something that steps back a bit from the crunch in PF2. You can keep all the options, but try to build from the Beginner Box first instead of putting one together after the fact. However, what I expect is it will be something that focuses on whatever problems Paizo encountered in organized play or theoretical problems raised by the community.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kenada, post: 8233417, member: 70468"] Something tells me I’m going to regret getting involved with this particular discussion, but here I go. The amount of content that has been released under the OGL is not unknowable. You can go to the [URL='https://www.d20srd.org']d20 SRD[/URL] site and see that the volume of content published by Paizo under the OGL far exceeds that for 3e and 5e combined, and that doesn’t even include [URL='https://2e.aonprd.com']PF2[/URL]. If I’m understanding correctly, what’s being claimed is that WotC’s content is [I]greater[/I] than Paizo’s because WotC got the whole thing started. Without their content, Pathfinder would not have happened. That’s a category error: comparing magnanimity to volume. The two sides are talking about different things, and they’re talking past each other. I agree with [USER=7021420]@fearsomepirate[/USER] regarding sales numbers. We can make some inferences, but there are parts that are unknowable. My intuition is that subscription sales insulate Paizo enough from market pressure that they’re going to continue doing PF2 until those start flagging (but that’s just my intuition with little base in fact). It’s possible that Paizo could have transitioned into being something like a Goodman Games where they produce APs for 5e but also support their own game. The big problem for PF1 compared to DCC is that PF1 players are all about character options. That’s one of the big contentions about PF2: it invalidates all that content, and it can’t even support the diversity of builds that PF1 did. I’m curious what a PF3 will look like. What I would like to see is something that steps back a bit from the crunch in PF2. You can keep all the options, but try to build from the Beginner Box first instead of putting one together after the fact. However, what I expect is it will be something that focuses on whatever problems Paizo encountered in organized play or theoretical problems raised by the community. [/QUOTE]
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