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<blockquote data-quote="Hellcow" data-source="post: 2830227" data-attributes="member: 15800"><p>I agree, and this is essentially the approach we tried to take with Eberron - highlighting that alignment is a spectrum, that evil people can serve good causes, and for that matter, good people can serve a greater evil. Hannibal Lecter and Jack Bauer can both be evil, even though one's a serial killer and the other is, at the end of the day, a hero. I'd have no problem dropping Jack into Eberron as an evil-aligned Dark Lantern. This, in turn, means that <em>detect evil</em> is no longer the automatic "find the villain" tool. It tells you a person's nature - what methods he is willing to employ to <em>accomplish</em> his goals, what sort of actions he just won't take. But it doesn't tell you what his goals are. CTU may serve the greater good, but Jack is certainly willing to use methods which are, in D&D terms, evil in order to achieve his noble ends.</p><p></p><p>(As a side note, I found it amusing when someone recently said to him "I know you won't break your word..." when, a few episodes earlier, we saw him do just that.)</p><p></p><p>I agree that the D20M allegiance system is a better choice for him, and conveniently enough, he's set in more of a D20 Modern world than a traditional fantasy world. But at least in Eberron, our goal was to divorce alignment from allegiance - to say that an evil person can be truly loyal to a noble cause, and can promote a greater good with evil actions - and that's where I'd put Jack.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Personally, I think the final season will open with Jack waking up on a mysterious island, in a village populated entirely by previously "missing" CTU agents. Beware the giant beachball!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hellcow, post: 2830227, member: 15800"] I agree, and this is essentially the approach we tried to take with Eberron - highlighting that alignment is a spectrum, that evil people can serve good causes, and for that matter, good people can serve a greater evil. Hannibal Lecter and Jack Bauer can both be evil, even though one's a serial killer and the other is, at the end of the day, a hero. I'd have no problem dropping Jack into Eberron as an evil-aligned Dark Lantern. This, in turn, means that [i]detect evil[/i] is no longer the automatic "find the villain" tool. It tells you a person's nature - what methods he is willing to employ to [i]accomplish[/i] his goals, what sort of actions he just won't take. But it doesn't tell you what his goals are. CTU may serve the greater good, but Jack is certainly willing to use methods which are, in D&D terms, evil in order to achieve his noble ends. (As a side note, I found it amusing when someone recently said to him "I know you won't break your word..." when, a few episodes earlier, we saw him do just that.) I agree that the D20M allegiance system is a better choice for him, and conveniently enough, he's set in more of a D20 Modern world than a traditional fantasy world. But at least in Eberron, our goal was to divorce alignment from allegiance - to say that an evil person can be truly loyal to a noble cause, and can promote a greater good with evil actions - and that's where I'd put Jack. Exactly. Personally, I think the final season will open with Jack waking up on a mysterious island, in a village populated entirely by previously "missing" CTU agents. Beware the giant beachball! [/QUOTE]
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