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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 2831409" data-attributes="member: 710">Only if the time constraints allow meeting the family and discussing the evil ways of the nasty wizard. Imagine the Paladin only has a telepathic bond to the groups wizard, who is outside the familiys home and has a Fireball prepared (but no Teleports or Plane Shifts), and the Paladin himself is imprisoned by the evil Wizard. The wizard might also not listen to his family (in the time), even if the Paladin could convince and bring them to him. And it is also possible that the Wizard could convince the familiy otherwise (possibly making them evil, too, but that doesn't justify torture, as we decided before)That's essentially the situation Jack was in when he shot Hendersons wife - he could have explained everything to her (in fact I think he did), but she couldn't convince Henderson.You are certainly correct, but I think you must be careful with this: You can choose to lose anyway you like, you still lose - there is no right solution. You can't argue that it is better to torture the wizard or hurt his familiy, or that it's better to kill those innocents. It is never a "good" decision. I think we three (you, me and Jack <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ) would all be the Paladin giving up his Code of Conduct and hurt the wizards family to avoid the greater evil. And I think most would do so. Maybe it is one of the examples of the "incompleteness"-theorem (see: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorem" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel's_incompleteness_theorem</a>) applied for moral instead of mathematics. It is not possible to "prove" which course of action is correct.</blockquote>

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