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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Whizbang Dustyboots" data-source="post: 2835578" data-attributes="member: 11760">I don't think having a conscience is evidence of being a good person. There are plenty of people whom most people could not describe as good people in real life who are haunted by the horrors they've participated in. Guilt alone does not absolve them of being awful people, especially the ones (like Jack) who did such things repeatedly, even if you accept the -- to me, not terribly strong -- contention that he had no choice but to commit these acts.I also think there are actions that cannot be described as good, no matter what the justification. (There are enough of them in real world history that they don't need to be invoked here and brush up against the politics rule.) You cannot have a good rape. You cannot have a good child molestation. You cannot have a good torture. Now, someone may attempt to justify these actions, with results depending on the justification and the audience, but the fundemental act is one that only an evil person would casually contemplate (and maybe not even then).If that's true -- that there are acts of pure evil -- then it follows that someone commiting X number of them must also be evil. I think our only real debate is the value of X. I happen to think X=1. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />He's already engaged in a pattern of torture and violence towards innocents. At what point do you draw the line?</blockquote>

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